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07-03 09:56 PM
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vivekm1309
02-12 09:12 PM
That is an apples to dinosaur analogy.
The per-country ceiling was originally created in order to establish and maintain proportionality in various immigrants coming from different countries in FAMILY BASED IMMIGRATION.
Family based immigration is driven by family relationship. Its not driven by talent or economic contribution. Therefore its important to make sure that no country completely dominates the family based immigration system by getting a head start. If one country is ahead initially in sending immigrants (like the Irish in the 1920s and Italians in 1930s), then that country's immigrants would sponsor their family and that new family would in turn sponsor their relatives and so on. Whichever country has an advantage in the begining would keep building on that advantage and eat up the entire family based quota. That's why when they wrote the INA in 1965 by codifying a bunch of loose federal regulations that governed immigration, they inserted the per-country ceiling. And that makes sense even today in Family based immigration.
Every country in the world has unlimited potential to send family members and relatives to America. But every country in the world does not have unlimited potential to send Ph.Ds and skilled labor. That ability is disproportionately huge with India, China, Mexico and Phillipines.
The per-country ceilings got INHERITED into employment based system because our legislators were too lazy to spot the difference in two systems. One system gives you a green card because you are related to someone. Other system gives you a green card because you have skills that are wanted by an employer here.
Benefits driven by family relationship should be rationed and given out propotionally because an Irish family, Italian family and a Chinese family all love their families equally and the value of family re-unification is the same. You cant say that the Irish love their sibilings more than the Chinese or Indians do. HENCE THE COUNTRY LIMITS IN FAMILY BASED SYSTEM.
But in employment based system, what the system is doing is that an Irish guy, (or any ROW guy) with Bachelor's degree in EB3 is getting green card sooner than an Indian guy or Chinese guy with masters degree in EB2. THAT IS DISCRIMINATION. Yes, that is discrimination not matter how you slice it and dice it with your olympic analogies.
Agreed this is discrimination, what stops us from fighting this discrimination using legal class action lawsuit? Is it the money required or did a lawsuit fail earlier that inhibits us to file class action lawsuit?
The per-country ceiling was originally created in order to establish and maintain proportionality in various immigrants coming from different countries in FAMILY BASED IMMIGRATION.
Family based immigration is driven by family relationship. Its not driven by talent or economic contribution. Therefore its important to make sure that no country completely dominates the family based immigration system by getting a head start. If one country is ahead initially in sending immigrants (like the Irish in the 1920s and Italians in 1930s), then that country's immigrants would sponsor their family and that new family would in turn sponsor their relatives and so on. Whichever country has an advantage in the begining would keep building on that advantage and eat up the entire family based quota. That's why when they wrote the INA in 1965 by codifying a bunch of loose federal regulations that governed immigration, they inserted the per-country ceiling. And that makes sense even today in Family based immigration.
Every country in the world has unlimited potential to send family members and relatives to America. But every country in the world does not have unlimited potential to send Ph.Ds and skilled labor. That ability is disproportionately huge with India, China, Mexico and Phillipines.
The per-country ceilings got INHERITED into employment based system because our legislators were too lazy to spot the difference in two systems. One system gives you a green card because you are related to someone. Other system gives you a green card because you have skills that are wanted by an employer here.
Benefits driven by family relationship should be rationed and given out propotionally because an Irish family, Italian family and a Chinese family all love their families equally and the value of family re-unification is the same. You cant say that the Irish love their sibilings more than the Chinese or Indians do. HENCE THE COUNTRY LIMITS IN FAMILY BASED SYSTEM.
But in employment based system, what the system is doing is that an Irish guy, (or any ROW guy) with Bachelor's degree in EB3 is getting green card sooner than an Indian guy or Chinese guy with masters degree in EB2. THAT IS DISCRIMINATION. Yes, that is discrimination not matter how you slice it and dice it with your olympic analogies.
Agreed this is discrimination, what stops us from fighting this discrimination using legal class action lawsuit? Is it the money required or did a lawsuit fail earlier that inhibits us to file class action lawsuit?
sunny1000
12-13 05:06 PM
Good point. But point what we are discussing is whether the rules (per country based) made to process GC can be challenged in US Courts within its constitutional limits? If tomorrow US decides to shut down EB/FB we do not have problem. Certainly it has that right. But when US wishes to have those immigrants than do we (applicants - non -immigrants) have a right to challenge particular rule (here per country based limit) in Court?
The U.S government absolutely has that discretion to make any rule/law under the Foreign Policy doctrine which no Court will interfere. The analogy for this would be the rule - wet/dry policy - they follow with the Cuban immigrants who get a GC just based on landing on the U.S soil. Nobody can challenge that rule (which favors only migrants from Cuba - when Mexicans do the same, it is considered illegal) but, a cuban immigrant can challenge what constitutes U.S soil which the courts can decide.
In short, you cannot challenge the law itself but, can challenge how the law is interpreted.
The U.S government absolutely has that discretion to make any rule/law under the Foreign Policy doctrine which no Court will interfere. The analogy for this would be the rule - wet/dry policy - they follow with the Cuban immigrants who get a GC just based on landing on the U.S soil. Nobody can challenge that rule (which favors only migrants from Cuba - when Mexicans do the same, it is considered illegal) but, a cuban immigrant can challenge what constitutes U.S soil which the courts can decide.
In short, you cannot challenge the law itself but, can challenge how the law is interpreted.
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bagha
07-11 10:56 AM
Here's my situation:
On H1 with company A since 2001. Current extension is valid till July 2010.
Eb3-India I-140 Approved, Filed I-485 more than 180 days ago.
Now I want to transfer my H1B using AC21. My questions are:
1. If my current employer revokes I-140 what are the implications on my I-485?
2. If I don't get my green card til my new H1B (after transfer) expires, do I get another extension even if my company A revokes my I-140?
Thanks in advance.
On H1 with company A since 2001. Current extension is valid till July 2010.
Eb3-India I-140 Approved, Filed I-485 more than 180 days ago.
Now I want to transfer my H1B using AC21. My questions are:
1. If my current employer revokes I-140 what are the implications on my I-485?
2. If I don't get my green card til my new H1B (after transfer) expires, do I get another extension even if my company A revokes my I-140?
Thanks in advance.
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kurtz_wolfgang
08-17 10:08 AM
simply racial profiling.
i dont think SRK is over reacting.. many desis who are accepting that its a way of life suffer from "Slave Mentality".
When was the last time.. a US diplomat or US socialite was frisked and detained for 2 hrs in indian airports?
To all the jocks who argue "its part of life"..my advise grow some balls and realize one thing.. no matter how long u live here.. no matter whether u have GC or PC...u will always be treated like third class citizens.
In the end its the color.. do you know beta.
for the record.i am no SRK fan.
Mamooty.. who is he?
Read this before you pass comments. Even Al Gore (VP) and Ted Kennedy have been detained on US Airports. Who the hell is SRK? and just because he is an actor and looks all goody goody, you have all the sympathy. Would you have it for Mulayam/Lalu, if they had gone through the same ordeal?? No, then you would have laughed and said they ought to be. Would you be protesting the same way if Musharraf was being frisked? you wouldn't.
So in the end you are one biased person. You cannot take a justful decision, your decision is based on who is it for. :rolleyes:
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i dont think SRK is over reacting.. many desis who are accepting that its a way of life suffer from "Slave Mentality".
When was the last time.. a US diplomat or US socialite was frisked and detained for 2 hrs in indian airports?
To all the jocks who argue "its part of life"..my advise grow some balls and realize one thing.. no matter how long u live here.. no matter whether u have GC or PC...u will always be treated like third class citizens.
In the end its the color.. do you know beta.
for the record.i am no SRK fan.
Mamooty.. who is he?
Read this before you pass comments. Even Al Gore (VP) and Ted Kennedy have been detained on US Airports. Who the hell is SRK? and just because he is an actor and looks all goody goody, you have all the sympathy. Would you have it for Mulayam/Lalu, if they had gone through the same ordeal?? No, then you would have laughed and said they ought to be. Would you be protesting the same way if Musharraf was being frisked? you wouldn't.
So in the end you are one biased person. You cannot take a justful decision, your decision is based on who is it for. :rolleyes:
Would Khan have fared better as Kennedy? - US - World - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/world/us/Would-Khan-have-fared-better-as-Kennedy/articleshow/4899589.cms)
digmetalq
08-17 03:32 AM
Maybe Indians don't have balls, but there is something called cultural exchange which every country share with each another. Now if SRK decides that US immigration has mistreated him and he decides not to enter US, world is not going to fall down. Recently I heard that HOLLYWOOD wants to come BOLLYWOOD to make investments, maybe out of bussiness sense HOLLYWOOD should support SRK. Big B recently refused doctorate from Aussie unversity in support of Indian students mistreated in Australia. Maybe Indians don't have balls but they have brains.
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snathan
01-24 05:31 PM
If you think Memo is illegal why can't you file a lawsuit. That should be right way. But I did not see any suggestion from any lawyer. But when when July 2007 issue cropped most lawyers rushed to file lawsuit. Now no one even suggesting lawsuit except some members in IV. Either most are not interested or they think no legal basis to contest memo
I have been observing JoeF's posts from different threads. I can say for sure he doesn't know what he is talking about. He is just another sadistic person like snram4 on this forum.
For instance JoeF says "he saw it coming" in reference to this memo. But the fact is, this memo is ILLEGAL. It has no legal base. Please refer to Murthy's latest newsletter. However members on murthy forum as well as you spicy_guy, thinks that JoeF is "knowledgeable". I am surprised to see that people who are here in this country for long believes all the BS that JoeF says.
I am not sure if this snram4 is sadist or outright idiot. When this thread started there were couple of people supporting this memo. Once they understood no longer they are supporting. Snram4 is the only guy still supporting and talking all nonsense.
snram4...whatever may be the case whether people are going for law suit or not, You are not going to add any value. Why dont you simply go away rather than talking all nonsense and wasting everyone's time. No one is bothering you or stupid comments. So many people asked you to go away...why dont you consider that for GOD shake.
I have been observing JoeF's posts from different threads. I can say for sure he doesn't know what he is talking about. He is just another sadistic person like snram4 on this forum.
For instance JoeF says "he saw it coming" in reference to this memo. But the fact is, this memo is ILLEGAL. It has no legal base. Please refer to Murthy's latest newsletter. However members on murthy forum as well as you spicy_guy, thinks that JoeF is "knowledgeable". I am surprised to see that people who are here in this country for long believes all the BS that JoeF says.
I am not sure if this snram4 is sadist or outright idiot. When this thread started there were couple of people supporting this memo. Once they understood no longer they are supporting. Snram4 is the only guy still supporting and talking all nonsense.
snram4...whatever may be the case whether people are going for law suit or not, You are not going to add any value. Why dont you simply go away rather than talking all nonsense and wasting everyone's time. No one is bothering you or stupid comments. So many people asked you to go away...why dont you consider that for GOD shake.
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kumarc123
07-17 10:36 AM
I mean EB2 India will be current with in a year.
vdlroa my friend I couldn't agree less with you on that statement. Eb2 will saturate a lot of visa numbers, and will ultimately benefit our friends in EB3. As per now I believe, we should focus on creating more visibility for our cases, which will eventually help EB3 as well.
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vdlroa my friend I couldn't agree less with you on that statement. Eb2 will saturate a lot of visa numbers, and will ultimately benefit our friends in EB3. As per now I believe, we should focus on creating more visibility for our cases, which will eventually help EB3 as well.
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chanduv23
08-16 12:03 AM
I just read through this thread and made some interesting observations.
We all have our own opinions and I am bringing all this into context by considering the fact that most people on this thread are people of Indian origin.
So here is my opinion too.
Looks like there is a process followed by the security officials that flags people based on certain factors.
Now, we can talk for hours and discuss and debate - but we really don't know how such a system is working. It might be working great in the POV of some people who claim that it helps with filtering out the terrorists.
If it is a frequest occurance and is affecting everyone - then there is definitely issues with such a system - but do we hear such stories regularly? We don't. We hear stories of Abdul Kalam or Shilpa Shetty or Sharukh Khan because they are celebrities.
It might be happening quite often and we never know.
It looks like a lot of "discretionary" power lies in the hands of these officers and at times they may just not listen or heed to anyone.
In my opinion a "discretionary" power is something that needs to be associated with good judgement. Rules and systems are in place to "help with things in a good way" and need not be the other way.
If someone feels bad about something - it is not their fault as one cannot control one's feelings. This is exactly what President Obama explained at the "beer summit"
In the modern world the definition of racism has changed. There is nothing called racism or discrimination which relate to their original meanings. For eg.. Indian students in Australia not necessarily be attacked by a particulal race - most time they are attacked by a mob of different kinds of people.
In reality "all of us are living in today's world where there are issues - some are vocal about it, some deny it, some supportit and some oppose it.
Lets think like a cynic - cynical people are good thinkers because all those cynics out there have become so due to series of different experiences the eventually changes the way they think.
We all have our own opinions and I am bringing all this into context by considering the fact that most people on this thread are people of Indian origin.
So here is my opinion too.
Looks like there is a process followed by the security officials that flags people based on certain factors.
Now, we can talk for hours and discuss and debate - but we really don't know how such a system is working. It might be working great in the POV of some people who claim that it helps with filtering out the terrorists.
If it is a frequest occurance and is affecting everyone - then there is definitely issues with such a system - but do we hear such stories regularly? We don't. We hear stories of Abdul Kalam or Shilpa Shetty or Sharukh Khan because they are celebrities.
It might be happening quite often and we never know.
It looks like a lot of "discretionary" power lies in the hands of these officers and at times they may just not listen or heed to anyone.
In my opinion a "discretionary" power is something that needs to be associated with good judgement. Rules and systems are in place to "help with things in a good way" and need not be the other way.
If someone feels bad about something - it is not their fault as one cannot control one's feelings. This is exactly what President Obama explained at the "beer summit"
In the modern world the definition of racism has changed. There is nothing called racism or discrimination which relate to their original meanings. For eg.. Indian students in Australia not necessarily be attacked by a particulal race - most time they are attacked by a mob of different kinds of people.
In reality "all of us are living in today's world where there are issues - some are vocal about it, some deny it, some supportit and some oppose it.
Lets think like a cynic - cynical people are good thinkers because all those cynics out there have become so due to series of different experiences the eventually changes the way they think.
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angelfire76
05-31 06:03 PM
whatever the case may be, until there is a VISA recapture we are not going to get our GC's anytime soon. Please admit this fact.
What I would suggest is that we work with Indian Govt. parallely (specially people who are moving back or planning to move back) to get back the Social Security/Medicare contributions we had been making. We need to show that if we start going back we would add $$$ to Indian economy. This would also trigger US govt. to think on this issue (i think..)
US works when there is big money involved... otherwise nothing would move here...
Just my thoughts.
Recently I was on a flight from Delhi to Mumbai and the guy next to me was a former RBI employee. I asked him as to why the Indian govt. is not doing anything about the billions of USD left behind by Indians returning to India in the form of SSA and Medicare taxes, to which he replied that the obstacle to a treaty as stated by the US govt. is that India does not have a system comparable to Soc. Security and Medicare for distribution of money to it's retirees.
Such a pact was apparently considered in 2006, but went nowhere due to disagreement about how the Indian govt. will track money distribution and administer the program.
What I would suggest is that we work with Indian Govt. parallely (specially people who are moving back or planning to move back) to get back the Social Security/Medicare contributions we had been making. We need to show that if we start going back we would add $$$ to Indian economy. This would also trigger US govt. to think on this issue (i think..)
US works when there is big money involved... otherwise nothing would move here...
Just my thoughts.
Recently I was on a flight from Delhi to Mumbai and the guy next to me was a former RBI employee. I asked him as to why the Indian govt. is not doing anything about the billions of USD left behind by Indians returning to India in the form of SSA and Medicare taxes, to which he replied that the obstacle to a treaty as stated by the US govt. is that India does not have a system comparable to Soc. Security and Medicare for distribution of money to it's retirees.
Such a pact was apparently considered in 2006, but went nowhere due to disagreement about how the Indian govt. will track money distribution and administer the program.
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crazyghoda
10-16 01:59 PM
Some moron gave me a Red for my post below with the comment ".."
Seriously dude, if you are so naive as to think that ROW folks are just going sit around and watch EB2 India consume the spillover numbers, then get your head examined or stop smoking that pipe. Have you ever wondered how low the participation is from ROW applicants on these forums? This is simply because for the most part its become a desi forum mostly dominated by EB2 folks.
Or you can give me another red and stick your head back in the sand (...or in those clouds, whatever the case may be)
A lot of EB2 folks are getting excited about getting the spillover from EB1 and EB2 ROW but has anyone contemplated that lots of EB3 ROWs will now start at looking at porting their dates to EB2 just as most people from EB3 India are?
Boy, I sure wish I was a lawyer! If this system remains as screwed up for another 20 years, I am surely sending my kid to law school :D
Seriously dude, if you are so naive as to think that ROW folks are just going sit around and watch EB2 India consume the spillover numbers, then get your head examined or stop smoking that pipe. Have you ever wondered how low the participation is from ROW applicants on these forums? This is simply because for the most part its become a desi forum mostly dominated by EB2 folks.
Or you can give me another red and stick your head back in the sand (...or in those clouds, whatever the case may be)
A lot of EB2 folks are getting excited about getting the spillover from EB1 and EB2 ROW but has anyone contemplated that lots of EB3 ROWs will now start at looking at porting their dates to EB2 just as most people from EB3 India are?
Boy, I sure wish I was a lawyer! If this system remains as screwed up for another 20 years, I am surely sending my kid to law school :D
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ita
03-29 11:12 PM
So am I , I'm sure so are may others on this forum and in India.
Like I said earlier, in my previous post I just summarized the performance of the last govt.So I'm sure you and others agree Congress won't get us where we want to be.(They didn't in last 5 years and look at my previous post to know where they got us)
But looking at what is unfolding in India these days our simple and realistic ideas some how seem very far fetched .
what's going on with Varun Gandhi?Current political scenario in India is kind of reminding emergency times. NSA has been invoked on Varun Gandhi.
Those politicians are making fun of law.They are using NSA to finish political opponents.
NSA is meant for nation's enemies not for politician's enemies.
During emergency time a nation when asked to bend crawled.Hope nation stands up against the similar kind of abuse this time.
Looks like if we have power in India we can do anything we want. No wonder all the successful film stars are jumping into politics at least in Tollywood.
It happens only in India.
I am looking for a visionary who can bring Indians out of poverty, who can give good education, security, health care and good infrastructure. Who can save us from the unstable countries and aggressive China. I am not bothering whether Sankaracharya is in jail or not. How its going to affect a common man who is begging even for basic amenities.
Like I said earlier, in my previous post I just summarized the performance of the last govt.So I'm sure you and others agree Congress won't get us where we want to be.(They didn't in last 5 years and look at my previous post to know where they got us)
But looking at what is unfolding in India these days our simple and realistic ideas some how seem very far fetched .
what's going on with Varun Gandhi?Current political scenario in India is kind of reminding emergency times. NSA has been invoked on Varun Gandhi.
Those politicians are making fun of law.They are using NSA to finish political opponents.
NSA is meant for nation's enemies not for politician's enemies.
During emergency time a nation when asked to bend crawled.Hope nation stands up against the similar kind of abuse this time.
Looks like if we have power in India we can do anything we want. No wonder all the successful film stars are jumping into politics at least in Tollywood.
It happens only in India.
I am looking for a visionary who can bring Indians out of poverty, who can give good education, security, health care and good infrastructure. Who can save us from the unstable countries and aggressive China. I am not bothering whether Sankaracharya is in jail or not. How its going to affect a common man who is begging even for basic amenities.
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sk2006
08-16 12:13 PM
To all the wannabe americans and GC aspirants, dont forget where you came from. You are nothing but 21st century cheap labor. Just do the right thing!
So what has that to do with supporting SRK here?
He is saying he is hurt and he even said there were fans calling him and still the officers did not understand he is SharRukh Khan. Now that is funny.
That sounds like if some xyz is detained and people start calling him by his name POE officers should understand who he is!
So what has that to do with supporting SRK here?
He is saying he is hurt and he even said there were fans calling him and still the officers did not understand he is SharRukh Khan. Now that is funny.
That sounds like if some xyz is detained and people start calling him by his name POE officers should understand who he is!
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thepaew
12-13 04:24 PM
The US Constitution is a very concise document. Here is a link to it.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
I don't think that per-country caps on immigration are unconstitutional. Please note that I am affected by this and would be very happy if the caps are lifted, but I do not think that this approach is viable and that this is the best use of our limited resources.
I also disagree with your premise that corporations want to see the caps lifted.
we, as non citizens, obviously do not have all the rights that the citizens possess. We don't know whether this rule is or is not constitutional (And as someone rightly pointed out that the expertise of a constitutional attorney is required).
However if it can be shown that certain citizens/corporations ( for example microsoft, google etc who also make efforts and lobby congress to change the law ) are unduly disadvantaged by this per country cap, then they can be plaintiff. So in a sense, we have allies in the corporate sector with tons of money (and who want to make more!) So they might be willing to support us,
if it is indeed found that the rule can be challenged.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
I don't think that per-country caps on immigration are unconstitutional. Please note that I am affected by this and would be very happy if the caps are lifted, but I do not think that this approach is viable and that this is the best use of our limited resources.
I also disagree with your premise that corporations want to see the caps lifted.
we, as non citizens, obviously do not have all the rights that the citizens possess. We don't know whether this rule is or is not constitutional (And as someone rightly pointed out that the expertise of a constitutional attorney is required).
However if it can be shown that certain citizens/corporations ( for example microsoft, google etc who also make efforts and lobby congress to change the law ) are unduly disadvantaged by this per country cap, then they can be plaintiff. So in a sense, we have allies in the corporate sector with tons of money (and who want to make more!) So they might be willing to support us,
if it is indeed found that the rule can be challenged.
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dilipcr
06-16 03:41 PM
Nice well thought out arguments. This is the essence of a healthy debate.
Dilip -
Could you please respond to questions raised in my post, when you get a chance?
I would like to add one more thing here - Employment based immigration is not merit based, it is driven by employer-employment unless you self-petition in Eb1/Eb2.
For the most part it is if it were left to market forces. Employers, rationally, would only want as much as talent for the price they pay. Most importantly, employers would be willing to go the extra mile to sponsor green cards only if they perceive that the immigrant employee would add value both in the present and the future. Now again, when I say employers, I mean the genuine employers and not the fly by night consulting body shops or the outsourcing companies. I strongly believe that EB based GC for a very large part is built on merit. You may see sme cases wherein some ordinary people getting green cards. They, in my opinion , are mostly from these body shops who got "lucky". Cant believe I am using that word !!!.
You may be very much qualified, if there is no employer who is ready to sponsor your green card, you are out of luck, so please do not put argument that only best and qualified people get GC.
Employers will be restricted in applying for GC for very qualified employees only in the period of recession. This happened with companies like CSCO etc in2001. wherein many of my friends left the company because cisco was barred from applying for GC after mass layoffs. But then after a year or so they started applying again. If you are referring to such scenarios, I would recommend patience because the immigrant per se is extremely well talented.
I don't think it matters, but I am from college based in Kharagpur WB.
In my opinion it does not. But be careful in this forum though. People may view your statement as egotistic.
Have a good day!
Where did you get that 80k number? You think 80k is good salary for that job, someone else may say 65k, I may say 90k. The salary, among other things, is determined by market forces. If you can't find enough people with xyz then company will be forced to offer more.
As long as there are people who are ready to work on salary 52k (example), employer will not pay 70k. As long as employer is following all the legal requirements, no one can dictate salary for the job.
I agree that the employer will pay the salary that is cosummate with the market. No well meaning employer will undercut to save a few pennies at the risk of losing out on quality.
What if the market pay scales are distorted through pervasive fraud ? If you look at it from an employer's view, it gets murkier. Believe it or not, low cost always signal lower quality. Trust me this is marketing 101. Google low cost and the perceptive signals. It is truly tough for the employer to trust the low cost employee's skillset.
Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud. Like other industries such as manufacturing/agriculture etc, IT wages are destined to decline but not at this rate. The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living. So per your argument, yes the end employer is following the rules by employing people from the outsourcing company because the employer does not know or looks the other way of the outsourcing company commiting pervasive fraud. Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too. It was not based on any scientific or statistical evidence.
I am a US citizen of Indian origin with background in Computer Science, Finance, and Business Laws. I have been in this country for 11+ years and I have seen so many changes in tech world. Nobody talks of sign-on bonus on H1B anymore. I am dot net architect and I am seeing lot of competition for jobs and this is causing downtrend pressure on salary. But, instead of, blaming someone else for the competition, I am taking it head on. We need to keep working on our skillset and employer will pay the salary. Like they say, for the right candidate salary is not a constraint.
I agree with you on the above points. You are doing the right thing in not blaming others for the downtrend in salaries. However, you are fundamentally assuming that you would have enough time to upgrade and adapt. What if that assumption falls apart ? What if outsourcign companies hit your employer with people with your skillsets at abysmal prices through fraud ? Today many companies do not look into the long term but make short term decisions. They may prefer the loss in quality for the "immediate" cost savings. It may take time for them to realize their follies. In trading, they say that a trader needs to have enough juice to survive the market irrationality. In a similar vein, if you have the wherewithal to survive the employer's short term irrational decisions, then more power to you.
Let us not forget our struggling days of H1. The least, we can do, is to encourage our fellow immigrants who are waiting for their green cards.
That is exactly the reason I am here. I want to encourage the truly deserving. I dont know who the truly deserving are on this board. But they know themselves. My encouragement is for them is to ensure that they dont get bogged psychologically despite being immensely talented.
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Dilip -
Could you please respond to questions raised in my post, when you get a chance?
I would like to add one more thing here - Employment based immigration is not merit based, it is driven by employer-employment unless you self-petition in Eb1/Eb2.
For the most part it is if it were left to market forces. Employers, rationally, would only want as much as talent for the price they pay. Most importantly, employers would be willing to go the extra mile to sponsor green cards only if they perceive that the immigrant employee would add value both in the present and the future. Now again, when I say employers, I mean the genuine employers and not the fly by night consulting body shops or the outsourcing companies. I strongly believe that EB based GC for a very large part is built on merit. You may see sme cases wherein some ordinary people getting green cards. They, in my opinion , are mostly from these body shops who got "lucky". Cant believe I am using that word !!!.
You may be very much qualified, if there is no employer who is ready to sponsor your green card, you are out of luck, so please do not put argument that only best and qualified people get GC.
Employers will be restricted in applying for GC for very qualified employees only in the period of recession. This happened with companies like CSCO etc in2001. wherein many of my friends left the company because cisco was barred from applying for GC after mass layoffs. But then after a year or so they started applying again. If you are referring to such scenarios, I would recommend patience because the immigrant per se is extremely well talented.
I don't think it matters, but I am from college based in Kharagpur WB.
In my opinion it does not. But be careful in this forum though. People may view your statement as egotistic.
Have a good day!
Where did you get that 80k number? You think 80k is good salary for that job, someone else may say 65k, I may say 90k. The salary, among other things, is determined by market forces. If you can't find enough people with xyz then company will be forced to offer more.
As long as there are people who are ready to work on salary 52k (example), employer will not pay 70k. As long as employer is following all the legal requirements, no one can dictate salary for the job.
I agree that the employer will pay the salary that is cosummate with the market. No well meaning employer will undercut to save a few pennies at the risk of losing out on quality.
What if the market pay scales are distorted through pervasive fraud ? If you look at it from an employer's view, it gets murkier. Believe it or not, low cost always signal lower quality. Trust me this is marketing 101. Google low cost and the perceptive signals. It is truly tough for the employer to trust the low cost employee's skillset.
Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud. Like other industries such as manufacturing/agriculture etc, IT wages are destined to decline but not at this rate. The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living. So per your argument, yes the end employer is following the rules by employing people from the outsourcing company because the employer does not know or looks the other way of the outsourcing company commiting pervasive fraud. Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too. It was not based on any scientific or statistical evidence.
I am a US citizen of Indian origin with background in Computer Science, Finance, and Business Laws. I have been in this country for 11+ years and I have seen so many changes in tech world. Nobody talks of sign-on bonus on H1B anymore. I am dot net architect and I am seeing lot of competition for jobs and this is causing downtrend pressure on salary. But, instead of, blaming someone else for the competition, I am taking it head on. We need to keep working on our skillset and employer will pay the salary. Like they say, for the right candidate salary is not a constraint.
I agree with you on the above points. You are doing the right thing in not blaming others for the downtrend in salaries. However, you are fundamentally assuming that you would have enough time to upgrade and adapt. What if that assumption falls apart ? What if outsourcign companies hit your employer with people with your skillsets at abysmal prices through fraud ? Today many companies do not look into the long term but make short term decisions. They may prefer the loss in quality for the "immediate" cost savings. It may take time for them to realize their follies. In trading, they say that a trader needs to have enough juice to survive the market irrationality. In a similar vein, if you have the wherewithal to survive the employer's short term irrational decisions, then more power to you.
Let us not forget our struggling days of H1. The least, we can do, is to encourage our fellow immigrants who are waiting for their green cards.
That is exactly the reason I am here. I want to encourage the truly deserving. I dont know who the truly deserving are on this board. But they know themselves. My encouragement is for them is to ensure that they dont get bogged psychologically despite being immensely talented.
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old_hat
05-02 01:06 AM
LTTE deserves no sympathy. Innocent civilians dying in war zone should get protection anywhere in the world. Its sad how so many people are viewing this with their political goggles on blaming one party or another. Any war zone is bad for civilians whether it is Sri Lanka or Kosovo or Darfur. Civilians need protection.
People who are solely attributing Sri Lankan conflict to Singhalese oppression are also distorting history. LTTE has many opportunities to get a peaceful resolution and it ditched it every time. They have been ruthless with Tamils who opposed them. They were merciless with Tamils who joined the mainstream and looked for a peaceful solution. LTTE became weak when Karuna joined mainstream and took away all his fighters.
And for those who are saying Gandhi is no longer relevant, are forgetting the flowers campaign with IV
People who are solely attributing Sri Lankan conflict to Singhalese oppression are also distorting history. LTTE has many opportunities to get a peaceful resolution and it ditched it every time. They have been ruthless with Tamils who opposed them. They were merciless with Tamils who joined the mainstream and looked for a peaceful solution. LTTE became weak when Karuna joined mainstream and took away all his fighters.
And for those who are saying Gandhi is no longer relevant, are forgetting the flowers campaign with IV
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god_bless_you
10-17 02:09 PM
I am finally moving to canada in 2-3 months. Deadline for landing is March 3rd 2007.
I am done with US Green Card and can not take this stress any more. Starting to sell my house and other stuff soon.
is the information on this website www.notcanada.com is reliable?
is the job market that worst there??
I am done with US Green Card and can not take this stress any more. Starting to sell my house and other stuff soon.
is the information on this website www.notcanada.com is reliable?
is the job market that worst there??
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sobyb
05-02 09:52 PM
I am watching this thread last 36 hours, this is not media to discuss political issues, we are here to educate/lobby so called law makers of this country for our immigration issues.
STILL BEING TAMILIAN, I HAVE RIGHTS TO SAY MY THOUGHTS
Tamils in SL is not Indian citizen but they migrated long back still have culture,family relation in India. Rajive got assassinated because he is trying to implement unpopular/unacceptable foreign policy in SL simply by trusting his popularity (he deserved for his mistake) One Sikh killed Indira but we accept another Sikh as our PM. It is Indian gov. lobbied efforts to ban LTTE by western country. they are well organized, disciplined and high tech group. some people raise another issue, they recruited young children to fight, we all are talking so called democartic India, still encouraging child labor every where in India. Srilanka Government boldy refusing all western country pressure, even United Nation (UN, this is pice of shit in the trash) unable to convience SL gov. because it is backed by Indian gov. or you may called Sonia gov.
Bottom line is Sonia is taking revenge on Tamils by supporting SL gov., after all she is from the country that killed Jesus.
We already denounced India, I am carrying Indian passport with shame.
see the link below,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2McxGpfoUM0&feature=related
This post clearly shows your poor judgement, please start viewing/analyzing politics and history beyond your group/creed/clan's interest.
Be proud of being an Indian!
STILL BEING TAMILIAN, I HAVE RIGHTS TO SAY MY THOUGHTS
Tamils in SL is not Indian citizen but they migrated long back still have culture,family relation in India. Rajive got assassinated because he is trying to implement unpopular/unacceptable foreign policy in SL simply by trusting his popularity (he deserved for his mistake) One Sikh killed Indira but we accept another Sikh as our PM. It is Indian gov. lobbied efforts to ban LTTE by western country. they are well organized, disciplined and high tech group. some people raise another issue, they recruited young children to fight, we all are talking so called democartic India, still encouraging child labor every where in India. Srilanka Government boldy refusing all western country pressure, even United Nation (UN, this is pice of shit in the trash) unable to convience SL gov. because it is backed by Indian gov. or you may called Sonia gov.
Bottom line is Sonia is taking revenge on Tamils by supporting SL gov., after all she is from the country that killed Jesus.
We already denounced India, I am carrying Indian passport with shame.
see the link below,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2McxGpfoUM0&feature=related
This post clearly shows your poor judgement, please start viewing/analyzing politics and history beyond your group/creed/clan's interest.
Be proud of being an Indian!
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snathan
01-15 06:17 PM
Durbin/Grassley bill will check them also. But it will impact some good people also. We are opposing that because many of IV members may be impacted by that. Also most IV members feel that bill is conspiracy to eliminate h1b program. There is no easy solution for these issues. If they relax the rules fraud will increase and if they tighten it then some good persons also impacted. So the fight will go on forever. But economy will decide future of H1b and immigration. You cannot prevent restrictions if employment growth does not return to normal levels. But restrictions will not block H1b program but will bring best people in the world.
Whether you like it or not...they cannot save the job by restricting the H1/L1B... simply the job will fly to offshore. First they need to fix the GC black hole� stop harassing people before they are enforcing the rules. Then no one needs to work for consultants
Whether you like it or not...they cannot save the job by restricting the H1/L1B... simply the job will fly to offshore. First they need to fix the GC black hole� stop harassing people before they are enforcing the rules. Then no one needs to work for consultants
lazycis
02-13 09:06 AM
I agree that quota system is cumbersome. It would've been much easier just to have one bucket. But I fail to see how it is discriminatory when every coutry gets an equal piece of the pie. It is a classic supply and demand issue, but it's not a discrimination. Consider also the fact that GC is a grace not a right. "Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own?"
Hassan11
07-12 09:13 AM
I am not sure if this is true or false but I thought to share. it might be a good news for July filers:
07/12/2007: USCIS Reportedly Returning Visa Numbers to DOS
AILA has reported that when Rep. Lofgren issued a letter to Secretary Chertoff, she also disclosed that "It has also come to my attention that USCIS began returning visa numbers to the State Depaartment as early as Thrusday, July 5, 2007." It could be the answer to our question why they are holding July filing cases and why they stopped adjudicating 485 cases for which they pull out the numbers before July 2, 2007. What a mess!
07/12/2007: USCIS Reportedly Returning Visa Numbers to DOS
AILA has reported that when Rep. Lofgren issued a letter to Secretary Chertoff, she also disclosed that "It has also come to my attention that USCIS began returning visa numbers to the State Depaartment as early as Thrusday, July 5, 2007." It could be the answer to our question why they are holding July filing cases and why they stopped adjudicating 485 cases for which they pull out the numbers before July 2, 2007. What a mess!
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