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  • rajsenthil
    09-03 09:42 AM
    It is sad to lose a leader who got elected democratically.
    It was also sad that few people who could support SRK (does that related to our immigration issue :confused:) but comfortably felt that missing YSR is not as important as SRK.

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  • hydboy77
    06-01 12:28 PM
    You are 100% correct, all this pre-adjudication is a nonsense, knowing how uscis does things does anybody believe USCIS will not issue EVL in future, offcourse they will, how else can they justify there existence to continue recieving there salaries and pensions. This is such a joke, the whole idea of pre adjudicating would be that all the processing is done and when the date becomes current they can just pick the file and assign the visa number and issue the green card. But they will not do that, they will tinker with the application and issue an Employment verification letter, they will redo background check, they will ask for finger prints again........unending nightmare, I am not being synical just telling from past USCIS actions.

    If we cannot get visa recapture, if we cannot get removal of country quota atleast we should ask for an administrative fix where once the application is pre adjudicated the applicant should be left alone and not issed any Employment verification letter rfe, or semilar\same job proof if they are back logged because of country quota and face multiple year wait, this way atleast it will give people some breating space, the way the system if set up right now, EAD, 485 pre adjudication, I140 approval are all useless if you keep getting Employment verification letter rfe and same semilar job rquirement. Without visa recapure it is going to take atleast 10 years for Eb3 and Eb2 india (eb2 priority date after Mid 2003), in the next 10 years you will keep getting Employement verifivation letter rfe and semilar and same job requirement, there is no way anybody can survive that for 10 yeears.

    So guys and gals what do you think about it, maybe we are looking at it the wrong way, instead of visa recapture (I am not saying we should abandon visa recapture) we should also try for exemption of cases which have been preadjucated (485) from Employment verification letter RFE and same and semilar job requirement. Atleast this way even if it takes 10 years to get green card people will not have nightmares of being kicked out any time and with the stability they will invest in buying a house and spending which will stumulate the economy. Its a win win for everyone, for us EB immigrants, for the economy and also easy to fix as an administative fix. We have simpathetic people in Zoe Lofgren (Chair - Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security, and International Law ) she was instrumental in forcing USCIS to reverse there decision during the july 2007 fiasco and accept the 485 application. We also have Charles Schummer. It is not that big a deal to ask for exemption of cases which have been preadjucated (485) from Employment verification letter RFE and sam and semilar job requirement, there are people with from other counries who have got a green card in a coule of months to 1 or 2 years whereas people from India are waiting with priority dates from 2000 and 2001. Once you get a green card you are exmpted from any rfe or same and semilar job requirement, it takes more than twice the time to get a green card for a person from India that to get a citizenship for a person from ROW. because of the long delays with us being in this process for multiple years and having to wait another 10 years for green card we should request for rfe exmeption for pre adjudicated 485 applications. I am sure we will get a sympathetic ear from Zoe Lofgren and like minded lawmakers. These Employment verification letter RFE and same and semilar job requirement were not framed assuming it takes a person from India 10+ years to get a green card. There were framed assuming it takles 2 to 3 years to get a green card.
    Lets be creative and try to work around the problem if we cannot resolve the problem directly, if we dont ask how will the lawmakers know this problem can be resolved by removing EVL RFE and same and semilar job requirement.

    It is very likely that these pre-adjudicated cases may be revisited for further processing in future for cases with more recent priority dates. This is just my opinion based on the fact of the predicted slow movement of EB-I priority dates in coming months and next fiscal year. Since so many AOS applicant have been pre-adjudicated , EVL RFE may be issued in future for cases who are pre-adjudicated now but their PD will only become current after 2, 3 or 4 years. This may be to verify that the applicant still has job offer at that time when visa becomes available. So I guess pre-adjudicating application, does it really make sense for later PDs? Any comments on this by other members?

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  • vikki76
    05-11 01:27 AM
    E3 visa is not enough reason to move to Australia.If ultimate decision is to come back to US ,then Canada is a better choice.
    Lot of couples are there who are both on H1-B visa here, their GC plight is also same

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  • 485Mbe4001
    05-29 02:31 PM
    :) he did say hope is on the way...but forgot to say which way or he was try to say what would hope's tombstone read...

    Here lies was IN the WAY :rolleyes:

    to the others who are bitching and moaning about EB1's, a few months back we were worried about the EB3 converting to EB2..before that we were worried that EB3's were getting more visas than EB2's and so on.....we will keep fighting about the handfull of misallocated visas or work towards recapture. The most important thing from Murthy's letter is that USCIS has started preadjudicating 485 which simply means that there are ton of people stuck in this mess who are waiting to be approved... a handful of visas is nothing...lets all unite and work towards recapture.

    Well I am pissed with this whole set up of immigration in this country.. did not obama's campaign say " HOPE IS ON THE WAY".. well its seems for skilled immigrant workers it is " HOPE IS OFF THE WAY"


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  • vbkris77
    01-14 06:37 PM
    1. Visa recapture gives 500K visas to EB in total, or about 143K visas on top of 40K visas. So for that year there will be enough to clear the entire existing backlog. Also there will be another 140K visas coming from EB1, another 140k from EB2 will drip down to EB3. So if you count again, it is very beneficial to go after 500K visas than 50K visas.

    2. This DV bill will not see the day of life.. It is dead on arrival.. There is a reason for DV visas and that reason still exists..

    3. IV Core is more involved than we all know.. So I guess throwing mud at them is not fair anytime.. It is not possible to inform every thing to everybody always.. That will remain a fact going forward..

    I totally agree with your point about abuse, I faced it myself while leading some earlier threads.. So either those who are leading the thread need to get over it or stop posting in public forum.. Even IV Core is no exception to issue.. But in this country every one has 1st amendment rights.. I don't think IV can stop it..

    Coming to campaign ideas, IV Coordinator would always like to hear them.. So get in touch with. You can write to her @ and talk to her..

    Let me tell you one point, if we can't get the government recapture what was wasted by their own delays in processing, we can't do anything else.. Leaving some right wing nuts, everyone else supports this bill.. DV bill has lot of opposition.. So place your bets accordingly..

    You have a valid point about the DV visa bil.. But you forgot one thing, Any immigration bill altering INA will also have recapture attached to it..
    One more point it takes 15K to give a paper ad to say that IV supports this bill.. Do you want to run a campaign for this?? I will convince IV Core if you come even close to that $ number...
    If and when this bill goes for voting on the floor, I think your valid point about giving these immigrant visas to the oldest applicants first until current backlog is eliminated can be considered as a viable amendment/feedback to lawmakers..
    But I wouldn't hold my breath for that day...

    To VBKris77

    Now THATS what i call a solid arguing point and THATS what i call a discussion
    VBKris77 - Please do not think that i am being patronising when i stated what i did above, but all my efforts and abuse taking till now were for this point of time and this reply to my inital post. Infact i was looking for someone to start something in this vein and had to wait till now. Now my faith in my fellow men has been justified (I know that was a bit melodramatic but hey after all the abuses i went through i think i can be just that bit wet in the eyes). You sir have hit the nail on the head. Now when i see your reply i got more questions. If you can clarify this for me i would appreciate it or If you know of any location on this forum where i can look see and get self educated that would be appreciated too

    You have a valid point about the DV visa bil.. But you forgot one thing, Any immigration bill
    altering INA will also have recapture attached to it..
    My point about DV visa to most badly retrograded apps was because they have been the ones who have waited the longest out here. Now if this was recapture or removing country quota i would feel that the regular allocation would be correct. Since this is a one off my peronal feeling was that we could direct the spillover to extra retrograded apps and get some relief there

    My question are -
    Would DV visa to Employment based in any form be considered as an immigration bill
    - What is altering INA
    - So if the DV bill be considered as an immigration bill the idea of IV is that if we can get this into a law the implementation of the 50 k visas will be in the same way as the implementation of recapture bill (So that would be all spill over to EB2 till EB2 is current and then to EB3- And please that was a question for clarification not a jibe as some of the people out here would make it to be).

    One more point it takes 15K to give a paper ad to say that IV supports this bill.. Do you want to run a campaign for this?? I will convince IV Core if you come even close to that $ number...
    Ok to get this straight the money needs to be collected (Campaign is run) and the amount of 15 k be collected before IV will support the campaign. Just getting things in right perspective.

    Tell me something please, would a campaign involve asking every one who comes in to IV forum for donations for the campaign. The reason i ask is because to run a campaign for this effort is a great idea and I have some thoughts on it but most importantly i would need the help of all the members EB2/EB3 (yes even the ones who abused me) because you guys have experience in it.

    My opinion is that if we run a campaign it would have to be with a slogan that if and only if this bill gets passed the DV visas will fall to the badly retrogressed apps first. If we say that the regular recapture way wil be implemented then i think this campaign is a dead duck before even starting.

    I have an idea which might or might not work but i feel that IV needs to start a disclaimer for any campaign which will state that this is the path to be taken (and of course stick with the path) and state that X % is the chance of success and that these specific situations have to occurr for any chance of the bill succeding, I mean like a flow chart and also specific tasks which have to be done by people willing to participate in the campaign. Now i do not know if you (And only you because you talk sense. If any body else want to comment with logic and way to improve they are welcome. Abusers wil be ignored) have got the sense of what i am saying but as a person who is looking at IV from the outside everything i have proposed above is based on certain hard facts which are formed as a result of my deductions by observing IV all these years

    For a campaign
    1. Please do not try and educate a person out here because when you do you gets very high handed. Provide them a tool (Flow charts and all i talked about before) and direct them to a location where they have access to the tool and let them form an opinion based on their self education. That way they will understand what are the 1000's of steps involved in this effort. This will lead to the fact that since the are self educated they know the risk and the percent of success or failure of the effort and when they participate they are fully aware of what are the stakes involved. This also gets to convert all the people out there (to the ones above) who are under the impression that giving money to IV will get the job done and when the job does not get done they start feeling that IV has cheated them and start making assumptions.

    I know that part of what i said will look a lot like what IV was doing. Yes IV when it started was like that but somehow over the years it has become very intolerent and as some members have stated very abusive senior memebers which is very shocking. A personal effort by each and every member of IV to show civilized behaviour and make civilized conversation is a mandatory requirement. In fact (i know i wil get laughed at and ridiculed for this but) a post by each and every donor and senior member taking an oath that no matter what the provocation they will not abuse anyone on the forum will be the first step. This can also be part of new member sign up. And of course IV has the tool in hand to delete any thread they think is determental to their cause so no issues there but i would suggest making an extra effort to find out what the idea behind the person is before deleting the thread.

    If and when this bill goes for voting on the floor, I think your valid point about giving these
    immigrant visas to the oldest applicants first until current backlog is eliminated can be
    considered as a viable amendment/feedback to lawmakers..

    Ok now i am lost. What is the objective of the campaign
    1. Add the provisions to the bill
    2. Make sure that the bill passes

    Because they are both 2 different things and that brings me to my next point which is clarity of campaign (includingLetters to law makers/ donations etc). Calrity is very important here. There has been a kind of secrecy in IV which is cause of much pain and disturst. Of course i understand why the secrecy was put in first place. It must have been because of all the anti immigrants lurking around but when you think about it if the members are self educated (Like how i stated above) there is no need to inform any updates to them and hence there would be no need for secrecy. A donor forum will of
    course continue as is because some things need to be discussed.

    But I wouldn't hold my breath for that day...
    Sir i never held my breath for this ever. Even though i am not part of IV i am aware of all the probability of success in such endevors
    It was nice discussing the above with you.

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  • gc_lover
    06-26 01:17 PM
    So regardless of what August bulletin says, USCIS can just, on a whim stop accepting 485 petitions in Mid July just because they have received "Too many" and the mail room clerk is tired ? I dont know but it really does not sound like something USCIS can do on a whim without publishing a change in the rule first.

    I agree with you. To bring the dates back USCIS would have to accept application for atleast next 2 weeks. Then, they will have to open and count all the application based on country. After that, they will calculate Aug/mid-July retrogression date. It does not sound like they will do it in mid-july, but for august they can do whatever they want in their visa bulletien.

    This is jusy my assessment. I didn't get this from anywhere.


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  • JazzByTheBay
    12-13 05:54 PM
    ...actually makes sense...


    When an argument is held in the Supreme Court you often hear the justices asking "What if" type questions, some of them verge on being narrow circumstances, but to declare something unconstitutional can have a wide impact and is a fundamental, so it should account for odd circumstances too.

    So here goes a potential set of arguments:

    Q> What if the Congress was unable to discriminate in other categories of immigration based on nation of birth? Would that mean that in time of war, immigrants would have to be admitted from a country with whom we were at war?

    Q> Would Congress no longer be permitted to try to balance the ethnic makeup of the country?

    I agree it is unfair on individuals, on groups, and it does smell, but I doubt that it is unconstitutional. I take the pragmatic view in my prior post on this thread (many posts back).

    Extending my pragmatic view:

    Even if it were found to be unconstitutional, then Congress can always amend the constitution, and if a Supreme Court ruling affected more than just EB category, then I would not be surprised to see an amendment. Then the only advantage would be to draw attention to the issue. But you know that the anti's would just make the argument --- "Look the evil immigrants are trying to write our immigration policy", and that would be an easy argument to make so then we would see something more restrictive in the end.

    So even if we won, we would likely loss.

    Just being pragmatic.

    (I'm not a lawyer - and my H1B enforces this)

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  • i-luv-tofu
    07-21 12:16 PM

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  • qualified_trash
    05-17 06:11 PM
    Hello Friends and my fellow GC awaiters..
    I have my labor pending for the past 3 yrs (my PD is Aug 2003) and have been waiting for ever. Inspite having a Master's I did filee in EB3 just because I work for a large company which does not allow to file in EB2.

    Anyways, I came across a company who said that they have a pre approved labor (late 2002) priority date. Is it wise to go for it or wait for something in EB category to move ahead?. I have at least 1 yr 3 months on H1 and will not have any other options except to stay in the company after 3 months.
    Is it worth taking the risk and go with the labor substitution?
    The second question/advice I'd like from you is:
    If I go back to the same company after 6 months because of some issue with the labor can I still preserve my 2003 PD?
    Pls let me know your opinion.
    Thx a lot guys.

    Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies
    1MoreDesi !
    I personally know of 2 friends - live within half a mile of where I do, who got their GCs using labor substitution. If the lawyer and sponsoring company are good, go for it. Keep in mind that this is going to go away soon.........

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  • gc_chahiye
    06-28 05:08 PM
    Still, just because DOS told USCIS "Visas are exhausted" doesnt mean they should stop ACCEPTING new petitions. They can stop APPROVING new ones, but why stop ACCEPTING new petitions. Visa bulletins guide the filing as well as approval of petitions. If visa bulletins is current, then they can both accept and approve petitions.

    right, and the worry (as is also noted in the AILA complaint that someone posted earlier) is that USCIS can consider the update from DOS to be the 'updated' Visa Bulletin.

    There is nothing that prevents DOS from issuing a visa bulletin at any time and making it effective then-and-there. AILA has raised concerns with this, that it is a problematic thing to do, but it seems to be well within the law. I dont think there is a chance of a lawsuit here.


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  • MYGC2008
    09-14 03:50 PM
    Do we know the exact Approved EB2 Labors for INDIA. (Year 2005 means Oct 2004 to Sept 2005). because PERM is introdiced in mid 2005.This is Critical

    Also I have a question: Does Prevailing Wage Level determine the EB Category? (EB2 Prevailing Wage Type = Level II) If this assumption is correct then for 2006 (Oct 1 2005 to Sept 2006) there are 11000 approved EB2 INDIA Labors.


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  • eager_immi
    07-12 12:08 PM
    No one is naive to know Canada is not oozing with opportunity. But since people are sick of the US and it's immigration policy Canada is an option for some especially ones who don't care to go back to India. No country is an option for all neither is USA.

    It seems after reading all this that canada maynot be for all aspirants. You need to know somebody already there and should have strong family ties before you land. Or better get a job offer from a company first or acceptance offer from an university if you want to enter as a student.

    Just my thoughts.....


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  • chanduv23
    05-29 03:45 PM
    Folks - here is the thing. lets work towards fixing our issues.

    If people feel USCIS must know about EB1 fraud or other stuff, there are enough people to write to them and if people want to write to USCIS - no one stops them from writing.

    As such, so many people write about different things - people write about eb2 - people write about consulting companies etc... So if you wish to do what you want to do you can do it.

    Remember - when you make a claim that someone is falsfying or breaking law you must present facts and explain properly as to why you think it is not right and why you think you are affected by this.

    Now when you do this - someone can definitely write why they think what YOU are doing is not right and why there are issues with your application.

    IV focuses on advocacy - together we resolve our issues. Things like employer not paying salary, employer benching, cheating etc... are things IV members must collectively deal with andhelp themselves.

    Things like wrongful denials when used AC21, poor customer service etc... are ones IV members can collectively resolve and IV helps

    Things like organizing grassroots efforts, job networking, help networks, lobbying etc... are the kind of things IV stands for.


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  • Macaca
    01-28 04:53 PM
    USCIS was trying to abolish this substitution. The lawyer lobby opposed it.

    How do lawyers benefit from it? Thanks.

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  • voldemar
    06-26 09:23 PM
    If anyone has a URL or source of information that shows the USCIS stopped accepting petitions in the middle of the month even when the dates were current, PLEASE POST THE URL OR SOURCE.
    Logicfile, here is my understanding:
    Oh Law firm said :
    06/16/2007: Unskilled Worker EB Category Visa Exhausted Even in June 2007

    * This is a truly bizzare news. AILA has reported that State Department had advised the the USCIS that the EB-3 Other Worker category had been exhausted., and based on this advice, thedUSCIS HQ has informed the Texas Service Center and the Nebraska Service Center to reject EB-3 Other Worker I-485 applications even though the June Visa Bulletin shows visa availability. It is indeed a double blow news to the Unskilled Worker community. AILA is looking into legality of this action. Hmm............................................... .................................................. ...............?!................................. .................................................. ................................................!?

    The link as usual
    The source for that is AILA EB-3 Other Worker Visa Availability Update ( don't have access to original AILA document.


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  • sumagiri
    07-25 11:18 AM
    Well, we are talking about 'cutoff date move', not actual approved I485's. If USCIS works in full steam, the EB2 backlog will be reduced quickly, which will result in cut off date move; if they don't, the DOS has to move date forward to allow more CP, that will also cause cut off date move. So either way, the horizontal spill over rule will have a huge positive impact on the EB2 dates move

    If USCIS is not efficient, cut off dates do not help much for pending I-485s even if there is a horizontal spill over. If USCIS is efficient, there is nothing to argue, EB2 will be benefited as analyzed by vdlrao , me and many other here. I am only trying to say that USCIS efficiency and its 'Target' for each year is a crucial factor when it comes to speculation. The number of visas approved is directly proportional to agency's efficiency and its set target. Depending on that, some parameters in our calculations change . For example, If they do not use the FB to EB spill over, we will be less by 20k for the year. If USCIS and DOS only utilize 130K out of 140K, we will be less by 10K more.

    I am not pessimistic and please note that I am not contradicting any one. I my self did detailed analysis in May 2008 saying that it will wonderful year for EB2. Please find the post here.

    Hope USCIS will works efficiently..

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  • priderock
    04-26 12:53 AM
    That was a no go for me. The company's Lawyer advised against it.

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  • fairman
    08-16 12:26 PM

    Mamooty.. who is he?
    One Mallu actor ( got national award etc.)

    06-28 08:56 PM
    Maybe eb2, eb3 petitions are far less in number than "other worker" petitions. USCIS definitely has a rough idea of the number of petitions that could be filed. It may not be as bad in July, if such a situation happens it may happen in August

    Is there anything we can do at this time - probably nothing unless such thing happens.

    Wow, we talk about employers, managers, lawyers etc..... but look at USCIS - the biggest culprit. As long as it is related to immigrants - they can do anything and get away?

    03-28 03:52 PM
    Looks like yes. I think, I-140 need to be cleared before April 26th.
    Or the day the rule gets in effect.

    I'm more concerned about this:

    Does this actually say that unless the substitution is approved before the rule becomes effective, the labor cert. would be invalidated?


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