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  • kaarmaa
    10-21 02:08 PM
    I'd be surprised to see that much movement before the Jan bulletin. If they do a quarterly spillover, I am hoping they'll move it to March at least.
    Been working on H1 since mid-2000. Getting more and more anxious as the dates draw closer.


    I hear ya.

    IMO, the dates need not be 'current', they should be not more than 2 years back. For e.g, right now, the PD should be Oct-2007.
    Oh no, I dream too much :cool:





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  • ramus
    06-27 06:59 AM
    So are you saying that we could have possible retrogression effective from any day in July?

    Thanks.



    USCIS had approvals before dates moved. USCIS knows the numebr of such approvals.

    These approvals are getting GC before approval of current applicants. If earlier approvals use up quotas, retrogression does not have to wait for current approvals.





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  • PlainSpeak
    01-13 04:36 PM
    Hmm.. so yesterday we were buddies on the other thread (at least you made it out to be for the sake of your arguments) and today I am part of the "enemy" because I am speaking sense and not rhetoric? I think I saw that coming.

    By the way, I don't think you won ANYONE over so far. Keep trying...
    Hmm.. so yesterday we were buddies on the other thread (at least you made it out to be for the sake of your arguments) and today I am part of the "enemy" because I am speaking sense and not rhetoric? I think I saw that coming.
    You have been called Myfriend by me in all the posts in all the messages (I know i slipped in between but if you refer the messages i also did apolozise for calling some one a Bigot and Idiot). Now what i cannot understand is that you have never had the courage to so the same and are keeping up the same tone. No matter it si ok becasue to agrre you were wrong and apolozie needs more courage then anyone would know

    What enemy are you referring to. I never called anyone on IV my enemy (and i can prove it by checking my previous post). The only place i used the word enemy was when i said that if you guys consider me your enemy you need to check all my posts to see how i have been in this forum from 2006 helping people when i can and Getting help when i needed it.

    So you saw WHAT coming. What you actaully see coming is a bright light down a dark tunnel and when it gets closer there is a boom. That is when you wake up and smell the roses (So that there is no more misunderstanding and since it pains me to see your angry post again i will explain that what i mean is that you will realize that i am not your enemy). Of course there is no chance of you agreeing with me and that is ok. As long as you realize that i am not your enemy we are good. Atleast that would stop the abuse.

    Oh i think i missed that part of sense and not rhetoric. Well it is like this my friend if you are speaking sense and not rhetoric it is good for you. What should be clear is when you speak sense (which by the way is always the way to go) i can choose to not agree with you and that should not blow you mind off and get you angry. Something similar to what i say when you abuse me and say that i am wrong and go all ballastic on me. Try it it will work out better for everyone

    By the way, I don't think you won ANYONE over so far. Keep trying...
    Since you are a junior member i will let this mistake slide through (But do not feel bad there are some senior members out here with the same statement which i must say is very surprising).
    Unlike others i am not here to convert people to my point of view and win some one over to my side.

    This is a forum and there are no sides (Actually there are so many to sides to count lets go with no sides). In a forum there is consensus and any decision is made on consensus. For forum members to come to a consensus they need to know what they are agreeing upon and to need to know people need to discuss. Not every idea wil work out and not every disucssion wil lead to a consensus, but as i told before that is the beauty of it.

    Hope i was able to answer you satisfactorily and of course if you were not looking for an answer becasue you were just being angry i hope you sleep on it tonight and come back tommorow because my my friend all the junior members of today are the key persons of IV tommorow (Everyone else Please do not take that literally i mean in the future and NO i am not inciting anyone)
    So tommorow if i call you my friend again if i see an reply from you which not abusive (It is ok to NOT agree with me. That is your god given right) i for one wil be very happy

    Please remember that does not mean i converted you (Well actually that would indeed be a conversion from a abusive person on the forum to a person who listens to all sides with calm) but that is another battle





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  • oguinan
    02-15 08:19 PM
    Sure it is. Check the UN definition.

    http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/d_icerd.htm

    ...any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.

    The two paragraphs following the one that you just quoted read:

    2. This Convention shall not apply to distinctions, exclusions, restrictions or preferences made by a State Party to this Convention between citizens and non-citizens.

    3. Nothing in this Convention may be interpreted as affecting in any way the legal provisions of States Parties concerning nationality, citizenship or naturalization, provided that such provisions do not discriminate against any particular nationality.

    According to the UN resolution immigration and naturalization laws do not constitute "racial discrimination" by definition. The quota based system does discriminate against people from China and South Asia. But the law as originally established did not intend to do this.



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  • PlainSpeak
    01-14 12:38 PM
    PlainSpeak - instead of spending so much time on responding to everyone's criticism of you, why dont you go ahead and detail out the "how" of "what" you think IV should do.

    Maybe there is a gap in the understanding of all the posters here in terms of "how" all what you have said will pan out.

    Please be specific around who, when, to whom and using what means can the "what" of your proposition be accomplished. And while you are at it, it will also be useful to lay out how and which of the activities you could personally be of help (by devoting time/ money/ energy/ All/ Some Combination).

    For all you know, it might open the eyes of a lot of people here.
    PlainSpeak - instead of spending so much time on responding to everyone's criticism of you, why dont you go ahead and detail out the "how" of "what" you think IV should do.
    My friend if all you abusive people wil stop criticing and providing abusive comments then we can start on teh actual work. I am not going to jump through hoops just because you have asked me to. First let me see whether the attitude of the people out here (Yes i mean you abusive people) will change becasue without doing that if i start on the implementing what i am talkinbg about all you guys will do is sabotage the talk

    Maybe there is a gap in the understanding of all the posters here in terms of "how" all what you have said will pan out.
    This is a forum right. How what where and when will have to be discussed and worked out (And yes i do not want any credit for it so name it GCHope2001's grand idea for all i care), but ....
    If everyone is against the plan from the start (and being vocally abusive about it) how do you think anything will move forward on this

    Please be specific around who, when, to whom and using what means can the "what" of your proposition be accomplished. And while you are at it, it will also be useful to lay out how and which of the activities you could personally be of help (by devoting time/ money/ energy/ All/ Some Combination).
    Only if i think at least 25 % of all you senior abusive member even agree in principle with what is being proposed. Heck my idea is for releif for EB retrogressed persons and all i get from all you senior memebers and donors is oh he is lazy skill less eb3 and he is doing it to get his creen card and other comments and everyone is all about lets bash this person and oh wow she is a gal so lets do some crude women joke (There was a guy ealier who talked about proper up bringing. I do not see you here any more)

    And yes my friends please use this as an oppurtunity to start off a new discussion about how he needs help. My friends everyone needs help. Even you. Even core

    For all you know, it might open the eyes of a lot of people here. How can some one open up the eyes of the people who bent on keeping it closed. First is there a concensus on this. I do not see any. Any you want me to stand up ubn front of all these people batying for blood and give a detail idea of ho wi wil accomplish. I do not talk to people like that why would i talk about any plan to those who do not agree with even discussing it forget about implementing it





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  • srkamath
    07-23 07:03 PM
    Source of information ?

    From what i inferred from the text of the law,
    The 28.6% limits do apply to FB to EB spill overs, as the FB spillover from the prev FY is used to arrive at this year's EB limit.

    The 28.6% limit cannot be applied to EB1 to EB2 to EB3 spillovers, because that would not make sense. From what i understood, if there are 10k spilling over from EB1 to EB2, then they all go to EB2 and are not shared 2860 each between Eb2 and Eb3.

    Let me know if you agree with the above.

    I also realized that, if ever there is a deluge of EB1 applications and it reaches the annual limit of 28.6%+(EB4+EB5)leftovers, then that's it for EB1 ! even if Eb2 orEB3 are undersubscribed!
    Ironic isn't it? Strange is the INA.



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  • hpandey
    06-14 12:40 PM
    To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.

    Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.

    In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.

    In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.

    You have got the same Indian mentality that most of the people here that once we got a GC and citizenship let us close the doors behind us. Just because you got lucky and got your GC in time and are now applying for Citizenship you are saying that all others who come after you are not as qualified as you or "best and the brightest" .

    For your knowledge I see a lot of intelligent people everyday from all walks of life - Indians, Americans, Chinese, Russians etc etc. A person does not becomhe intelligent by the number of degrees he has but by the logic sense that he has and how he applies to his daily life.

    Who are you to judge the people coming after you that they are not skilled or the best and brightest.

    I don't wish bad for anyone but if you are saying retrogression is good then beware you are wishing for the curse of a lot of people who have been unfairly standing in the queue for 8 - 10 years while a lot of people from 2006 got their GC.





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  • TeddyKoochu
    09-24 12:15 PM
    This analysis is really excellent, how far do you foresee the EB2-I date going this year. Is there any hope for new people to file 485 this year? People who missed Jul 07 have waited long and can wait till next Sep in the hope that we will be able to file 485 this year.



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  • cableman
    08-28 07:59 AM
    Our frustration with the US legal immigration and retrogression seems endless. My wife and I are considering immigration prospects to Canada. Can somebody please suggest good responsive lawfirms that could handle a Canadian PR application? We would also appreciate some insight on Canadian immigration prospects for physicians. Thanks

    http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1332&highlight=canada

    Good luck.





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  • nojoke
    12-11 12:32 PM
    The focus is shifting from housing to economy and jobs. With 500,000+ applying jobless claims in a week is horrific. People will soon be thinking 'can we send 10+ million illegal immigrants and 1+ million legal immigrants back home to get jobs for local people'. I find it would be tough now to sell the idea that immigrants can save the economy by buying house. If some bright politician gets the idea 'why not send the immigrants home and create jobs' we all will be in trouble. :(



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  • unseenguy
    08-16 06:03 PM
    My point is Indians do not have the balls to do it. Forget americans....they can not even touch an indian MP. Every day lots common people going through this security check. Whats so special about SRK. He is king only in his mind/heart. For lot of people he is crap. No special treatment. Whats the big deal if he is detained for 1 hr. The world is not going to end

    Its just highlighting the profiling because of name of religion or skin color. I agree world is not going to end but Indians need to be assertive to protect their own dignity.





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  • chanduv23
    06-27 11:34 PM
    This thread is enough to keep the BP at higher levels to the already stressed out folks.

    A lot of people who do not follow immigration stuff have the following perception

    (1) All dates moved - we will all get green cards
    (2) People started applying PERM now - thinking they can make it by September
    (3) They think US wants to keep its valuble people and thats why they opened up the gates
    (4) Some think Indian govt putting pressure on US govt to issue GCs to Indians or else threaten to severe trade ties
    (5) Some thing There is a link between CIR and this. Before CIR is forced implemented they want to clear their existing backlogs so that they get ready to deal with Y and Z stuff
    (6) Some think this decision was taken to clear backlogs so that every new applicant will come under the new points system proposed in CIR

    So many theories, interpretations, perceptions ..... Everything seems to be a perception here



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  • mrdelhiite
    07-08 08:54 PM
    My question: I came to us on F1 Visa. I do not have my last name in my passport. Yes it is true ..stupid passport department missed it as they write names with hand ... passport was made when I was in high school…9th grade to be precise. I never got it corrected and came to us …visa was issued to me using FNU firstname format. When I applied for I-20 SSN, and everything in US after that I added my last name (my actual family name which got missed in passport) as us system does not allow blank last name. Note that my passport last page correctly shows my fathers and mothers last name which I have added on all my us documents like SSN, DL, … now I have been in us from past 5 years with all ( and I actually mean all) my us docs like H1, SSN, I-20, License, 495 application etc in firstname lastname format. ….. the only 2 things which are not in my first name last name format is
    1) visa which is FNU Firstname ( FNU = First name used)
    2) My passport which has just my first name and no last name

    one of my good friend got a 485 query as his first, middle and last name are mixed up with respect to his passport and 485 application. Which I feel is a much simpler case as compared to mine.

    Now my question is should I go ahead and change my name in my passport which is nothing but add my last name and get a new passport preemptively…or I should wait for USCIS decision .. Usually RFE is given 30 – 40 days to reply and I don’t think I will have time to get my passport fixed if and when RFE comes on my 485 .. the only issue I have with preemptive fixing name is sometime it is just better not to add complication to a case when it comes to USCIS …. A lawyer’s opinion is much needed and appreciated.

    Thanks for your help
    -M

    PS: my priority is Feb 2007 EB3





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  • logiclife
    06-26 12:35 PM
    nope. The august bulletin which gets released mid july didn't get into our arguements at all. We were specifially talking about july filers and july month.

    Yes, i agree that if August bulletin retrogresses than that affects only august filers and not the people eligible to file in july.

    So regardless of what August bulletin says, USCIS can just, on a whim stop accepting 485 petitions in Mid July just because they have received "Too many" and the mail room clerk is tired ? I dont know but it really does not sound like something USCIS can do on a whim without publishing a change in the rule first.



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  • TeddyKoochu
    09-17 03:23 PM
    I wish the statement is true.

    I think your friends cousin got the card by mistake, that does not mean that it will see a significant moment for EB3 I. The only possibility is if USICIS wants to recapture the unused visa numbers over a period of time, then EB2 I, EB3 I all move together.

    Arun thanks for sharing the news & congrats to your cousins friend, may well be one of the cases of successfully porting PD.





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  • dhirajs98
    07-21 10:03 AM
    I have my EB3-RIR pending at NSC with PD JAN 2004. I-140 concurrently filed on July 23rd 2007 at NSC is still pending. I do have the EAD and AP approved.

    I have another EB2 labor (PERM) certified but its I-140 was denied on the basis of qualification. I have 3 yr B.Sc + 2 Yr. Post Graduate Diploma from India. This labor was certified on Dec. 26th 2006 and I-140 was denied last year after replying to the RFE raised regarding qualification. USCIS was looking for 4 yrs. degree instead of 3 yrs. They didn't accept my 2 yrs. post graduate on top of my 3 yrs. B.Sc degree.

    My question: Is it advisable to go ahead and revive this PERM labor to file fresh I-140 again? If Yes, then what all I should do before filing the fresh I-140? I have almost 8 years of work experience in USA beside my 3+2 years degree from India.

    Please advise.



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  • Lasantha
    02-13 11:19 AM
    There's no POW at least where this topic is concerned. Somebody said that as a joke. ROW of course as Chintu said is Rest Of the World

    What is ROW and POW, please? I have seen both used in several posts (I am hoping POW is not Prisoner of War:)) Still learning the immigration lingo!





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  • user1205
    02-12 02:54 PM
    Also keep in mind all the people with old PDs that filed 140 and 485 at the same time and are now stuck in the 140 mess. As soon as that starts clearing out there will be a lot more demand for GC. I'm afraid we'll have to wait for some more time before it moves forward.





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  • injrav
    08-03 12:52 PM
    This only proves that this is an important immigrant issue. Pappu should help educate every one.

    Hi TravInd
    keep going on man
    you are the Pappu of this Thread





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    vjkypally
    07-24 05:10 PM
    Agree with few points in your argument though overall it went little overboard. Whisky Line??? Are you implying there are no lines in US? Ever heard about GC Line???????:))))))I havent waited for 5 to 7 yrs in India for anything and not got it. Maximum I waited would be Tirupati temple for 12-14 hrs:)



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