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  • bayarea07
    07-28 10:37 AM
    Good and Fair Thoughts,agree with you.


    I was an 'IBO' in the past. did the business for 2 years and quit. so, i am one of those "quitters" as called by up-lines and one of the many reasons why the average monthly income is only $115/year :)

    you people are fighting for two totally different reasons

    (1) is Amway business illegal for H1Bs? and is Amway business model a ponzi scheme ? been with this business, I can still stand behind the business model - its fair and simple. you just buy from one manufacturer and advertise that to others. if you notice, they are actually advertising Amway Global on national TV. Are the products worth the money you pay is a different subject. can H1Bs do this, i hear yes/no from various sources and that is a separate subject too. this thread is about the bitter experiences and not the business model itself.

    (2) Now came BWW (for those of you don't know this term, this is the reason for all your heartaches / broken friendships and bitter experiences).

    how do you advertise your product/site ?????

    when i joined the business, I have atleast 10 very good friends. I talked to all of them and asked them to understand the business model, and not worry about the advertising part. I took all of them to major conferences (they couldn't say no to me out of friendship and curiosity on what i saw in it despite horror stories) but no one was keen at that time. so, i told them to come and see me when they have some free time and are thinking about making money part-time. no hurry. thats it. no clashes between friends or bad blood. no means no. they are your friends and they will come to you when they are looking. NO HURRY.. thats me.

    this is the point where problems start. BWW talks and teaches about doing it NOW. they want us to go through as many people as possible and believe in numbers game. if you show the plan to 100 people, 1 active IBO will join. so, show the plan 3 times a week at-least. that's the motto. when they asked me to go for cold contacting i refused out-right. how can i convince a total stranger when my close friends who believe in me couldn't see it.

    most of you are crying foul of people "cold" contacting you with fake smile/friendship while they want you to join the business. but everything has to do with BWW and their methods/CDs/meetings etc. its like a competition. the sooner you grow, they grow. so, they want you to grow as fast as possible. if you have to loose your friends/relatives on the way - your up-lines don't care. they say they are your friends/family. how can that be true ??

    to Kushal: I wish you luck with your business. but you have some temper my friend. who are you fighting with ?? folks on an online forum ?? you should know better than to throw stones at someone who doesn't have a name. what are you thinking.. you think you can convince everyone here to believe Amway/quixstar is good ???? seriously ?? only if convincing is that easy ;p

    to rest of the team: I know you don't approve the advertising part by randomly meeting people. I didn't do it either and extensive damage is done. people run away from Amway/quixstar like plague because some people want to get rich quick and asked their down-lines to spread the word as fast as they can. "run through people". find 1 person willing to work at the expense of 99 people getting offended by you. word of mouth advertising works both ways. bad publicity spreads faster :)

    all I am saying is: people advertised Amway really bad. people hate amway but they should really be mad at BWW and their strategies. it is unfortunate that no one really knows or interested to know what Amway model really is. all they can think of is about horrible experiences of cold contacting and repeated chasing.

    again, i am not with this business now but still think its a good model. it is based on word of mouth advertising, franchising, residual income - everything e-commerce (which is a subject taught at some universities). now add some short sighted people to do the teaching and BINGO.. screwed it up big time.





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  • rb_248
    10-04 10:01 AM
    1. You need to submit original transcripts and notarised copies of degree certs

    2. I requseted my current employer to give it. I quoted that I need them for applying to university

    3. I did my pictures from wolf camera. I took the photo instructions to them. They made exactly like that.

    I just got my PR approved and I got my passports back with visas.

    STAmisha,
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  • unseenguy
    06-12 10:06 PM
    So you realized at the age of 35 that you needed MBA? Many smarter ones realized that at 25-30 age range. And they are the ones who will become future CEOs.

    Another thing, I would question is your judgement to leave Microsoft. That was the best company in your days, although now its Google. I still think Microsoft is number 2 employer with the kind of benefits and stability they provide. Hello ...... they had first layoffs in 2009 and that too only 5000. My wife works there and I have told her to put in many years there even before she considers a change. Why did you leave them man? You asked for all your present day troubles due to this decision.


    Now you are saying , L1s will dump low cost MBAs. Do you know the value of IIMA? First qualify for the college and get a admission and then say it is low cost education. You are not even trying for that college, coz you know you wont get in. Now you can get 1 yr PGPX MBA in IIM-A for 20 lakh Rs (USD 40K), but I bet the quality of graduates is better than your 100K MBA. Before dismissing them as low cost, do some introspection of talent.

    My friend did MBA from IIM-B, he is a top performer, today he is a managing partner in Wipro consulting. No doubt he started like me at 60K salary in US, but look at his performance and rise. I respect him a lot. He doesnt have GC yet. I have tons of friends from Whartons, Kellogs, UChicago , IIM-A etc. The college I respect most is IIM-A.

    So before dismissing them as low cost, first try to get in there, qualify, refuse admission and then dismiss them as low cost. You are paying 100K for MBA is because you did not qualify for low cost MBA.





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  • chanduv23
    02-13 11:02 PM
    Those who have info on Rajiv Khanna's lawsuit, please post it on this thread. Please post valid links to references. Please analyse what went wrong, if Rajiv thought he had a case, why was the lawsuit not sucessful. Please post on this thread



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  • eb3India
    10-23 02:02 PM
    as name suggests, you find a company with a already approved labour, they will apply your 1-140 with that labour, if you I-140 is approved you get to keep his PD and get a free ride,

    while myself, has to wait 2 years for labour and another few years till my PD becomes current

    in labor sub case, if one can find approved labour before 2001 (if you happen to be from India). you can get 1140 approval and apply for 485 if you everthing goes well you have your GC in 6-12 months

    and did I mention this perfectly legal.

    lot of guys cry sour grape about labour sub. if you ask me, if you have opporunity use it, I would





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  • vivid_bharti
    09-03 03:15 PM
    It really does not matter if you are a doctor or a compounder... Running a state or a country is a different thing altogether, you need different skills and this man had that. He was a self made man risen from the soil. But on the bad side he was the king of the corrupts. Most of the Indian politicians are Illiterate. This guy is a medical doctor by profession.
    Loved by poor people. Hated by the fundamentalists and Naxals. Most of the AP politicians are corrupt including former PM P.V. N RAO.



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  • ksrk
    09-15 06:30 PM
    Exactly, there are more EB application from India and most of them are older PD, so with no rule, all it means is that India will get bigger share.

    But I thought the rule stated that the spillover can only be applied to over-subscribed countries in the FOURTH quarter of the fiscal year - meaning no sooner than June/July 2010 - or am I missing something here?
    How can the VB get past March 2005 in December 2009? If it does, I'll be very happy! However, I would like to know if the estimate is realistic...and not over-optimistic.





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  • mantric
    02-15 05:53 AM
    Completely agree with Googler.

    While I have sent the letter and convinced a few friends to do so let's be realistic. It is too easy for this letter campaign to be swept under the carpet of the next crisis to occupy the attention of the government. The letters may just get thrown in the garbage - whether 2000 or 20000. Nobody is answerable. Based on past history for such campaigns the chances for success are pretty low. Also this friendly govenment does not have much time left.

    This is ultimately a fairness issue. There are issues of discrimination based on country of origin. Careers are stopped midtracks for nationals of particular countries. For ages. This situation is completely unnatural. If someone gets a promotion he has to go back to the beginning of the queue. Growth potential and economic contribution is retarded during career prime. And if it was'nt bad enough already, visa numbers have been wasted in huge numbers to make things worse.

    Going to the courts appears to be the only way to make people confront this fairness issue, that these delays and uncertainty are affecting real lives and careers. It will reinforce any letter campaign.
    People who think the current laws are fair should be reminded that it is only the consequence of the laws that matters not the intent.

    Also everyone please browse through the previous I-485 lawsuit site -
    http://www.immigration.com/litigation/I-485_litigation.html
    If has a lot of useful information.

    Note the background for that lawsuit was that a letter campaign had failed to bring results.


    Just wanted to chime in to say that filing a lawsuit will only aid any campaign for admin fixes. The NC changes were done administratively but anyone who tells me that the scathing rulings from the federal courts had nothing to do with current changes is living in denial -- the recent rulings essentially shredded the legal basis for the form of these NC checks and attendant delays.

    There is absolutely no reason not to pursue both options. It would be totally delicious to have USCIS testify in court and explain exactly how they f&$@-ed up badly enough to pervert congressional intent and waste approx 120K EB greencards in 2003-2004.

    Write your letters (what does it take 10 min of your day), you have nothing to lose and something to gain by that. I did. But don't forget suing is the American way of justice.



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  • walking_dude
    02-13 02:43 PM
    Are you sure you understood it fully?

    I wrote " if you think ", meaning a lot of harping on is happening based on the assumption that removal of country limits will impact ROW badly. It's not the fact. Though it has been explained a number of times that its not the case, some members obstinately stick to their guns and regurgitate it again!

    Taking some sentence written by me out-of-context does not prove anything.

    Can I ask you a question? How much of IV goals you have supported till date? How many IV activities you have participated? How much you have contributed? I'm interested in knowing. If you haven't , whether you have incentive or not, it doesn't make even a teeny difference to the movement.

    Is the cumulative effect of all three measures good for me (reduced wait time, or no change in wait time), or bad for me (increased wait time.)?

    I read this, and I was referring to this:



    So, does recapture and the increase in quota and the removal of the country limits, result in a greater wait time for me, as the comment above seems to imply. It would, if the recapture and the increase are not large enough to offset the effects of the removal of the per-country limit on ROW.

    Coz if it does, then I don't have an incentive to support your goals, do I?





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  • hebbar77
    09-23 03:47 PM
    for people who want to invest, there is a investor visa(gc). The limit of investment is little higher though, so only few out of the current EB line will get out. Yes line will get shorter.

    I dont think buying a greencard for 100,000$ or for any money is wise. You already are paying enough taxes, paying legal fees.... and of course spending ur prime here waiting for a permanent resident status.

    So let them grant GCs if they feel like. Dont bribe ur way in!!

    Also if one bought a home and then got a GC, lets say he sold the home right after... what abt it....!!



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  • srikondoji
    07-03 09:50 PM
    Under the section "Why does it hurt?

    Lawyers who charged upwards of $2000 for filing will not refund the service fee, so candidates have to pay again when dates become current in future.

    The biggest loss is the trust, coz, next time people will not believe these mid month bulletins at all as they can come around anytime and revise the dates. So, applicants will always have to live in fear untill they receive the receipt.


    I am trying an outline for sending to media + lawmakers + ...

    The following is a very rough draft without reading some of the letters posted in the thread. I will read the posts tomorrow and polish it by tomorrow evening. I will need everyone's input since I don't know all the issues.

    Introduction
    Retrogression in GC process.
    What happened

    USCIS announced at the time the forms were due.
    Applicants started filling forms 2-3 weeks before July 2.
    Applicants changed their schedules to submit forms.


    Advantages of EAD + AP
    Don't know all!

    Travel without visa -> saves Embassy overhead.
    Spouse can work.
    Can switch job.

    Why does it hurt

    Medical will not be valid after 1 year.
    Rejected June filers can not file.
    June filers did not file because they thought they will file in July.
    Fees more then doubling
    Name checking (which can take 1+ year) done in parallel with waiting for GC #.
    Load balancing for USCIS.
    USCIS which is supported 90% by application fee needs to care for applicants.
    Very little chance of legislative relief for a looong time.





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  • rajsenthil
    05-02 05:49 PM
    Every body knows what happend to kannadigs in chennai, and riots on kannada businesses.
    If you want tell me I will give you the THE HINDU ( Chennai Edition) news paper dates so that you can refer to facts.

    What ever the drama is being played in Srilanka by aravas if they are going to play those tactics in USA .... immidiately will be kicked out:p

    Come on guys.. I can't believe that I am seeing such a support to language terrorists.

    Oh, now I understand why you dont make any sense. :cool:



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  • Aah_GC
    07-10 12:59 PM
    ByeUsa,

    Goodbye and hope you have a good time in Canada. I am very sure you will do well there - Canada respects its immigrants and you and your family will be welcomed there.

    Keep us posted on how you are getting around there..

    Peace.





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  • jayleno
    07-21 02:18 PM
    Chill my friend. See where it is posted.

    Immigration Voice > General Information > Interesting Topics

    This is a very informative topic....well unless you are a quickstar member who is proud of it.

    Please for GOD SAKE understand that this is an immigration Portal.
    Not a fish market where we can discuss the prices of item at different stores.

    Please stop this Admin



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  • cableman
    12-13 09:02 PM
    I can't agree more. In fact, I don't understand how we can argue the quota cap discriminate a special group. The quota cap system is very different from the case of which a man could vote but not a woman. The quota cap system applies to every country fairly. Every foreign citizen can apply for immigration. Any country reaching the cap will have to wait for next year quota. Perhaps it is *too* fair that the system doesn't account the world population distribution. IMHO I have no doubt that this case would lose in the court and I am sure that bringing this case to the court would make EB applicants enemy to the country. In the end, what do we achieve?





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  • krish2005
    01-14 01:35 PM
    This is a good point. This leaves a grey area, isn't it? I give you green for this El_Guapo.

    This is comedy. This El_Guapo wants to give green to his own post. Oh man, what an idea to get greens. :D



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  • srikondoji
    07-03 09:50 PM
    Under the section "Why does it hurt?

    Lawyers who charged upwards of $2000 for filing will not refund the service fee, so candidates have to pay again when dates become current in future.

    The biggest loss is the trust, coz, next time people will not believe these mid month bulletins at all as they can come around anytime and revise the dates. So, applicants will always have to live in fear untill they receive the receipt.


    I am trying an outline for sending to media + lawmakers + ...

    The following is a very rough draft without reading some of the letters posted in the thread. I will read the posts tomorrow and polish it by tomorrow evening. I will need everyone's input since I don't know all the issues.

    Introduction
    Retrogression in GC process.
    What happened

    USCIS announced at the time the forms were due.
    Applicants started filling forms 2-3 weeks before July 2.
    Applicants changed their schedules to submit forms.


    Advantages of EAD + AP
    Don't know all!

    Travel without visa -> saves Embassy overhead.
    Spouse can work.
    Can switch job.

    Why does it hurt

    Medical will not be valid after 1 year.
    Rejected June filers can not file.
    June filers did not file because they thought they will file in July.
    Fees more then doubling
    Name checking (which can take 1+ year) done in parallel with waiting for GC #.
    Load balancing for USCIS.
    USCIS which is supported 90% by application fee needs to care for applicants.
    Very little chance of legislative relief for a looong time.





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  • angelina
    07-11 05:12 PM
    I have lived in Canada for 15 years, immigration system is healthy and fast enough for my family to come over. My friend who has a Master degree used to work for Xerox, quit his job go back to Canada. After 3 months he found a professional job. Personally I havent encountered such thing as discrimation or no jobs situation as serious as it mentioned on the web site.

    Talking about discrimation, dont tell me you havent been discriminated from your company in the certain degree...





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  • abhijitp
    07-04 11:24 AM
    I have more emial addresses if you want them.....

    someone pls tell me how to upload , i have now an .xls file of media contacts, about 931k in size.





    Sakthisagar
    06-11 09:37 AM
    Why are you so worried? Dont be scared, make enough money and dont make silly financial decision. You can take your kitty back if push comes to shove. Economies in India and China are booming and you wont die hungry. I guarantee you that.

    Economies in India and China are booming??? booming accroding to their economies not definitely competing with USA what is the value of 1 Indian Rupee in US dollars. just simply dont air some tactics around. As long as 22 Political parties rule India na each one having different agenda Forget about India becoming a developed country.

    And don't dump USA as just like that it is also one of the Biggest and Greatest economy in the world, Still till this moment Dollar Rules. full stop.





    sunny1000
    01-05 04:55 PM
    ^^^^^

    WTF? why are you bumping this useless thread?



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