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  • Aah_GC
    08-16 12:04 AM
    Can we let him go then...? is there any guarantee they will not recruit more and massacre more? If its Israel already mosat would have taken the preparators. If its US, Pak would have been reduced to rubble.

    But India is only good to serve the mutton briyani...God save India.

    US knows that Pakistan is the mother of Terrorism, doesn't look like with all the aid flowing in, that it is being reduced to rubble. Terrorism is a deeper debate, and it borders on uneven economics, social structures, global imbalance to name a few. We have quite a few terrorists in India too, just look up Sikh riots of 1984 and Gujrat riots of 2002, the culprits walk scott free. You talk about Israel, how safe is Israel? Would you settle in Israel given a chance? The same is with the US, in the pretext of 9/11 the residual racism is now emerging in these situations.

    Whether we like it or not, Kasab will be hung to death. He is definitely a criminal, and it shines on our judicial system and independent media (both are screwed in their own ways) that we can tell that a terrorist hasn't been reduced to a weakling to not demand the food of his choice.

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  • Macaca
    06-26 09:43 PM
    unless there are enough approvals happening simultaneously, dates would not retrogress in the middle of the month.

    There were lot of approved cases with USCIS. They have started getting their GCs.

    The # of current applicants who will get GCs will depened on # of approved cases USCIS had.

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  • jayleno
    07-27 09:14 AM
    Buddy Kushal,

    You have guts my friend. A real quickstar indeed. Please PM me. I will join quickstar, I'm really impressed with your speech here. You had me at US Army. I didn't read the rest of it.

    P.S. I dont flip channels, my wife does and I watch whatever is playing. I sip beer and burp after. I hope I'm qualified to join.

    Its like asking an anti-immigrant, what you think about legal/illegal immigration?

    I guess you would get better idea if you call up Amway corporation or FTC and find out. And not from other who spend their time flipping channels and burping beer.
    As far as I know there are people from US Army, NASA scientists, NFL players, pastors etc.....from different background are very successfully building the franchise business. No wonder they are growing $1.2 billion dollars every year since 1950.
    Of course is not for everyone; its only for people who know the power of free enterprise on which this country is built on.

    Question is whether it will work for you? Your families finances are decided by you, and not by any other people. If you do take advice from other, then you will be flipping channels and burping beer too, and it takes one big financial hit to wipe you off the slate.

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  • Rb_newsletter
    01-15 04:08 PM
    I agree Teddykoochu.

    Think what will happen if they woke up one fine morning and start another new interpretation of an existing law and then later they start doing it retroactively; just imagine the cascading effect.

    It does not matter which side of the ship is taking fire. It seems to me that people on the left side of the boat are happy that the firing is only on the right side, forgetting it is the ship as a whole which is taking fire.

    This only reminds me of the famous poem by Martin Niem�ller which goes like this.

    "First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out�because I was not a communist;
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out�because I was not a trade unionist;
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out�because I was not a Jew;
    Then they came for me�and there was no one left to speak out."

    To get the gravity of the situation, substitute it with which ever suits you ! EAD/consulting H1/direct H1/AOS pending/485 not filed/EB3/2/1....etc etc.. Behind all these fancy terms, numbers and notations there are people, children and families who are going thru difficult situations.

    I don't have words to appreciate you. You explained it in one poem very very very well.

    Earlier they asked for ridiculous documents like photos with American colleagues, etc.
    Then they asked for client contract for 3 years, where no client sign a contract for more than 6 months in this uncertain world.
    Then they asked for work place fire safety approval docs.
    Then they sent contractors for work site visit.
    then 221g slips, PIMS delay, admin processing, technology alert, rfe for no reasons, H1-b extension for 3 months, back dated denial of H1,........
    Now they want to define the way of business practice.
    Later...only they know what they are going to do.


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  • zCool
    05-11 10:13 AM
    Takes 4 years to get Aussie citizenship now..
    Citizenship is not a toll-pass.. you are taking an oath to be loyal to 1 country.. you are giving up another.. I think GC backlog is messing up with folks' heads.. the cavelier attitude abt things like citizenship etc.. :)

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  • gimmeacard
    07-21 06:18 PM
    People can loose a lot of money in this "business"... 20K in 4 years is petty... literally.

    Once you achieve some level in this business, your "uplines" start pestering you to do 300PV every month instead of 100PV. Each PV is about $2.50 + tax + Shipping so 300PV = $800 a month. Most of this $800 stuff is at least with 300% markup and many of the things that we didn't need. So even if we take $200 as waste out of $800, in 4 years, I lost $200x12x4 = $9,600

    Now, off course no one puts a gun to your head to buy 300PV but the pressure is nothing less than that. Its very hard to explain just like hard to explain the Niagara Falls experience (this example I have used many times while contacting people).


    Thanks EbiZash for explaining the details, i hear your pain, i would had jumped off the bridge after i failed in 3 months, no matter how much pressure, i would save my shirt first.

    Its time you start hearing to your wife. i lost a good fortune in stocks too, so i am no avatar here :-)


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  • gc28262
    01-24 01:34 PM
    Kindly visit this forum
    USCIS new memo on Employer-Employee relationship - Topic Powered by Infopop (
    and see yourself how people differ on this memo. It seems so many people are happy about this memo for the following reason:
    1. They are not affected by this memo ( for sure ).
    2. They are fed up with Body Shoppers.

    You can not ask them to change as they have their own take on this memo.
    Personally after reading so many scenarios I don't support this memo.

    If you see JoeF in that thread, he is more of an anti-immigrant. There are many in our community who are happy at the plight of their fellow countrymen. That is no reason that people should support this non-sense memo.

    In IV, members are more knowledgeable than those on that particular thread from Murthy forum. People are so ignorant that they are agreeing to whatever that JoeF( anti ) is saying. IV members are much smarter than that.

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  • go_guy123
    03-17 11:13 AM
    such people cut in line in front of us and don't even bother paying money to IV. Why should we give them free advice. If they can spend money buying labor for 20K they can spend hundred dollars and consult a lawyer and ask their question. It is with such mentaility they are brought up with in their country- Currption and getting things done with money. But never paying anyone for a just cause. In my country people contribute only when they fear god in temples, for medical treatment or to astrologers!!

    At least on this forum we can have the resolve to fight such people who are hurting most of us.

    Good that DOL/USCIS is getting rid of labor selling by voiding after 45 days
    ( in the final rule that might be raised a bit 90days ...which is justified and reasonable)


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  • jetguy777
    07-22 11:23 AM
    Theres no argument about EB2 retrogression. It will retrogress defenitely in the next few bulletins. But the retrogression would be mild one and that would be there only for a VERY SHORT SPAN of time. After that the cut off dates would run like to reach the CURRENT.


    Appreciate your thoughtful and encouraging posts. Continuing with Ron Gotcher's line of reasoning:

    "It is worth mentioning that the CIS has never adjudicated more than 85,000 EB AOS cases in a single fiscal year - though this year it is possible they may process as many as 110,000 if they go all out. Keep this fact, together with the size of the backlog, in mind when trying to estimate how long it will take them to get to your case when your priority date becomes current."

    How do you reconcile USCIS productivity with the number of visas that are available? In other words, although there may be sufficient numbers available to move the priority dates forward in the next fiscal year, USCIS can only adjudicate a limited number of cases per year.

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  • hydboy77
    05-29 04:36 PM
    I agree with what you said except I would add those past mid 2004 instead of 2005 as hopeless situation in eb2 india. I dont think the Eb2 India will ever move past March/april 2004. Infact with every visa bulletin the EB2 india dates will start moving backward to 2003-2002. One silver lining is Eb3 to eb2 porting will be completely useless. It now takes atleast 6 monts for perm to clear( this is the best case), EB2 is almost impossible to get, if you take a risk and apply in eb2 almost gaurenteed for audit. atleast now we have a clear picture of how many decades(no pun intended) it takes for eb2 and eb3 India to get there green card. My guess is obama\durbin\grassley are figuring out how to kick us out. I remember one of the tactics that the conservatives proposed for kicking out the illegals was to make it difficult for illegals to get employed by imposing heavy fines on employers for hiring illegals. Obama durbin and the democrats are using the same tactics with just a minor difference, instead of illegals they (obama\durbin et al) are going after legals by issuing RFE on EVL even for 485 etc etc etc. Basically they want to haress and make us so dejected that we will leave US and they can keep our social security taxes for wealth redistribution. most of us (atleast the people who graduated out of US universities) gave the prime part of our lives for this country, now we are being treated like we are not even humans. How can anybody work in US for 10+ years and still not have a green card and face the possibility of being kicked out.

    Ok, the guy that sets the dates says that he sees no possibility of dates moving forward for EB India and ppl are still thinking there is hope? I am an optimist and try to see the brighter side - and that side here is that we know there is no hope for those past 2005 in the next two years. That to me is sufficient to make decisions and move on. Be it changing to a different job or going back to the home country - most probably the former for me.


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  • gc_chahiye
    06-28 08:16 PM
    As per Macaca's logic, pre Oct 2005 PDs will take up all the numbers available for EB2 Indai for 2007, in June and July.

    If that is the case why was the Bulletin for july not set to Oct or Nov 2005 and instead made current. Surely USCIS does not want to deal with all the extra workload if it does not have to.

    DOS/USCIS know the truth, but going by the Ombudsman's report, they want to use up visa numbers as fast as they can. So if they have 30K applications sitting, just waiting for visa numbers, now with everything set to C, they can blindly start approving without even seeing what the date on those apps is.
    Also, with EB3-ROW being 'C' they dont even need to worry about per-country limits. Just pick up the next almost-approved file, assign visa number, mail out. repeat.

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  • pmat
    05-11 01:35 PM
    What happens to the money contributed to US Social security if you move to Canada (for stays < 10 yrs in US). Can you transfer the social security to Canadian system?


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  • perm2gc
    08-03 04:19 PM
    The Labour substitution is good option for few but not many. The process should be totally elimindate so that FIFO people will have a fair chance.Their only few people who really are need of it but 99% are fraudant people.

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  • alisa
    02-18 11:55 AM
    I have been following your arguments and I get a sense that though not explicitly anti immigrants, you are opposed to any concentration of EB immigrants from any particular place..

    I value Mr Unitednations posts as he provides us with the opposing point of view. That is absolutely critical. It would help us strategize and plan.

    This has been a very valueable thread. It would be very nice if something positive can result from this. (I can't think of anything. Help me out if you can.)


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  • Ramba
    08-17 03:29 PM
    OMG. This useless news prompted for more than 10 pages. This clearly shows how Indians are victimized for cinema. This is a clear example to show popularity in cine field and money can do any thing in India. Millions of people suddenly back SRK. No one has bothered for APJ when he was frisked at Indian Soil. Now, millions of peoples, media, and government are backing this SRK, just for 2 hours interrogation that he faced in the airport. No one has bothered about thousands of innocent muslims they undergo similar checks at US airport, everyday. No one has bothered about some Mur�ali� from India has to wait additional 2 years for his name check to be cleared for his 485 approval. No one has bothered about millions of social security money contributed by H1Bs, that�s not ported to India when they returned.

    Why SRK should be superior than other passengers for ICE officers at airport? Is it because he is popular in India or actor or having lot of money? If so, what about other scientists or engineers having more credential than SRK, that undergo similar secondary inspections, if they selected? First, he is not on diplomat visa, to give a proper treatment. If SRK feels that his self-respect was not allowing him for the introgrrogation, he should have not landed in US. After all, like many others, he came to US to fill his wallet on eve of �independence� day. Those who support SRK should learn lessons from US, how US is strict in their rules. Because of this kind of �no exception� policy, they did not experience another 911. In India, if any one says I am the son of MLA or relative of an actor, or if he is a friend of airport manager, then he/she will not get any checks. They can easily pass all the checks.

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  • Kushal
    07-27 01:59 PM
    Really... Millions... Have you checked the disclaimer in your lit pack under the 6-4-3 plan. A typical IBO makes $115 a month... Amway / BWW was forced to put this statement because of a lawsuit brought by Amway Diamonds and Double Diamonds... You can google...

    I know you will now state that "you don't want to be an average... an average corporate employee makes $30K.. etc.. etc.." (Straight from Brad Duncan's CD) I have used it myself hundreds of times on the prospects...

    By the way did you call IRS to check.. or you are just believing what Kanti / Kumar / Raj or any other Diamond told you.. Oh another thing that they regularly mention in their trainings "IRS and USCIS don't share data so IRS won't know if you are on H1 or not"... USCIS can ask for your Tax returns before granting Green Card...

    May be you have not received 1099 from Amway yet but the 1099 income on 1040 goes under a separate head "Self Employment"...

    I know you will respond with some nasty stuff but I urge you to take the emotional hat off and think rationally (which I know is very hard as I had faced the same things) about the direction that Amway is taking... especially in Indian community... Do you see many Indian faces these days in the Amway's Inspire magazine or new Rubys, Emeralds, or Diamonds...

    This is a good way to make some residual income (I still get monthly check 4 years after stopping to build it) but millions??? Not many EDCs and Diamonds make that money if you exclude the money from CDs, Books, CommuniKate etc..

    Good luck!

    I get good monthly checks every month (more then $115), and they don't seem to bounce either. And good thing it increases. Don't need to google anything while I can get from credible sources.


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  • vdlrao
    09-15 02:44 PM
    I just wondering seeing these estimated numbers, with out having a proper information, for the given years.

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  • _TrueFacts
    09-04 06:19 PM
    Now I think new people are running IV.
    Aman Kapoor (Walden Pond) is not controlling now. That is the reason these idiots have got the admin previlages. Now they do nothing worthwhile. Bunch of jockers.


    Don�t assume that things will work like they work in YSR regime.

    If you think that, the discussion does not make any sense to you then keep away. You are assuming that IMV has compromised security. FYI, this is not a YSR forum, nor it his jagir to do a security compromise.

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  • whitecollarslave
    09-23 02:54 PM
    Yes, mine was approved a month back without any hassles and bought the home ....

    If you don't mind sharing who was the lender?

    04-02 12:08 PM
    Why I don't like Congress..

    There is no use of good academic record if you are a shameless chaprasi.

    What do you have to say about all well educated and intelligent bureaucrat IAS, IPS etc..

    05-12 01:40 PM
    If you are talking about SL Tamils, they are not immigrants but are the native sons of northern part of the present geographical area known as Sri Lanka. Before Europeans came, they had their own kingdom but when finally British left, they left it with hands of the narrow minded majority, who started to discriminate ingenious Tamils left and right.

    Of course there are Indian Tamils in Sri Lanka who were taken by British to work in the tea plantations.

    Current issue in Sri Lanka is between native Tamils and Sinhalese. Indian Tamils factor very minimal.

    Do some research before making a comment about entire ethnicity.

    Can I ask a question - tangential, maybe, but not by much. Why do Tamils have such a problem assimilating? Why don't they learn the local language and respect the local culture when they immigrate? Their motto seems to be "In Rome, be a Raman".

    And the opposite is true when people speaking other languages settle in Tamil majority areas - they are, dare I say, forced to integrate, because that is the only way one can manage to live on a day-to-day basis. Would Tamils ever allow a non-Tamil minority to gain even a tiny foothold in their areas where the Tamil writ would not run? I doubt it.

    Note that I am a firm believer of learning and respecting the local culture and integration. One does have a 'right' to propagate one's own language and culture, but they lose that right substantially when they emigrate to an alien land - whether it is within the same country or not.

    To extend the logic, when we (mostly people of Indian origin in this group, I would assume) immigrate to the US, while we may try to conserve our heritage in private, we cannot impose it on the locals. That is when you end up creating ill-will against immigrants among the native population. America has been a great melting-pot, and has had great success assimilating great waves of immigrants from various countries including Italy, Ireland, Scandinavia, Germany etc, and the reason it succeeded was that in a couple of generations, there was total integration into the American culture. We owe it to our adopted country to do the same.

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