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  • sanju
    12-17 09:39 AM
    Thanks for the update. No need to reveal any more details. At least I know the e-mails that I sent made their way to some one who matters.

    Thanks jungalee, for writing on this issue, that makes two of us. I think everything done by over 1000/2000 people together and every subject covered in letters from over 1000/2000 people makes it to the top. Most half educated (which is worst than illiterate) usually give priority to their petty differences and find reasons not to participate, which is why they remain "wise fools".

    It will definately help to draw attention to our issues if more people in the community will participate.


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  • katrina
    02-01 02:34 PM
    US news has covered a book by David Heenan -- "Flight Capital" that essentially deals with the fact that high powered immigrants are leaving this country -- for whatever reason -- and how its bad for America. BAD FOR AMERICA. forget about it being bad of GC aspirants. ITS BAD FOR AMERICA. And we have one of america's own high powered former CEO saying that

    This man has no vested interested in talking about this. Obviously he does not need a GC and he is not on H1. He makes our case. How anti-immigration congressional measure are hurting America as a nation as much as it hurts aspiring immigrants.

    This is an independent non-partisan source who can be quoted in our cause.

    and there is another good article with the same topic.

    Check out this article in the Wall Street Journal - by Gary Becker, a Nobel Price Winner..alas this administration in immune to such logic

    Give Us Your Skilled Masses

    November 30, 2005; Page A18

    With border security and proposals for a guest-worker program back on the front page, it is vital that the U.S. -- in its effort to cope with undocumented workers -- does not overlook legal immigration. The number of people allowed in is far too small, posing a significant problem for the economy in the years ahead. Only 140,000 green cards are issued annually, with the result that scientists, engineers and other highly skilled workers often must wait years before receiving the ticket allowing them to stay permanently in the U.S.

    An alternate route for highly skilled professionals -- especially information technology workers -- has been temporary H-1B visas, good for specific jobs for three years with the possibility of one renewal. But Congress foolishly cut the annual quota of H-1B visas in 2003 from almost 200,000 to well under 100,000. The small quota of 65,000 for the current fiscal year that began on Oct. 1 is already exhausted!

    This is mistaken policy. The right approach would be to greatly increase the number of entry permits to highly skilled professionals and eliminate the H-1B program, so that all such visas became permanent. Skilled immigrants such as engineers and scientists are in fields not attracting many Americans, and they work in IT industries, such as computers and biotech, which have become the backbone of the economy. Many of the entrepreneurs and higher-level employees in Silicon Valley were born overseas. These immigrants create jobs and opportunities for native-born Americans of all types and levels of skills.

    So it seems like a win-win situation. Permanent rather than temporary admissions of the H-1B type have many advantages. Foreign professionals would make a greater commitment to becoming part of American culture and to eventually becoming citizens, rather than forming separate enclaves in the expectation they are here only temporarily. They would also be more concerned with advancing in the American economy and less likely to abscond with the intellectual property of American companies -- property that could help them advance in their countries of origin.

    Basically, I am proposing that H-1B visas be folded into a much larger, employment-based green card program with the emphasis on skilled workers. The annual quota should be multiplied many times beyond present limits, and there should be no upper bound on the numbers from any single country. Such upper bounds place large countries like India and China, with many highly qualified professionals, at a considerable and unfair disadvantage -- at no gain to the U.S.

    * * *
    To be sure, the annual admission of a million or more highly skilled workers such as engineers and scientists would lower the earnings of the American workers they compete against. The opposition from competing American workers is probably the main reason for the sharp restrictions on the number of immigrant workers admitted today. That opposition is understandable, but does not make it good for the country as a whole.

    Doesn't the U.S. clearly benefit if, for example, India's government spends a lot on the highly esteemed Indian Institutes of Technology to train scientists and engineers who leave to work in America? It certainly appears that way to the sending countries, many of which protest against this emigration by calling it a "brain drain."

    Yet the migration of workers, like free trade in goods, is not a zero sum game, but one that usually benefits the sending and the receiving country. Even if many immigrants do not return home to the nations that trained them, they send back remittances that are often sizeable; and some do return to start businesses.

    Experience shows that countries providing a good economic and political environment can attract back many of the skilled men and women who have previously left. Whether they return or not, they gain knowledge about modern technologies that becomes more easily incorporated into the production of their native countries.

    Experience also shows that if America does not accept greatly increased numbers of highly skilled professionals, they might go elsewhere: Canada and Australia, to take two examples, are actively recruiting IT professionals.

    Since earnings are much higher in the U.S., many skilled immigrants would prefer to come here. But if they cannot, they may compete against us through outsourcing and similar forms of international trade in services. The U.S. would be much better off by having such skilled workers become residents and citizens -- thus contributing to our productivity, culture, tax revenues and education rather than to the productivity and tax revenues of other countries.

    * * *
    I do, however, advocate that we be careful about admitting students and skilled workers from countries that have produced many terrorists, such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. My attitude may be dismissed as religious "profiling," but intelligent and fact-based profiling is essential in the war against terror. And terrorists come from a relatively small number of countries and backgrounds, unfortunately mainly of the Islamic faith. But the legitimate concern about admitting terrorists should not be allowed, as it is now doing, to deny or discourage the admission of skilled immigrants who pose little terrorist threat.

    Nothing in my discussion should be interpreted as arguing against the admission of unskilled immigrants. Many of these individuals also turn out to be ambitious and hard-working and make fine contributions to American life. But if the number to be admitted is subject to political and other limits, there is a strong case for giving preference to skilled immigrants for the reasons I have indicated.

    Other countries, too, should liberalize their policies toward the immigration of skilled workers. I particularly think of Japan and Germany, both countries that have rapidly aging, and soon to be declining, populations that are not sympathetic (especially Japan) to absorbing many immigrants. These are decisions they have to make. But America still has a major advantage in attracting skilled workers, because this is the preferred destination of the vast majority of them. So why not take advantage of their preference to come here, rather than force them to look elsewhere?

    Mr. Becker, the 1992 Nobel laureate in economics, is University Professor of Economics and Sociology at the University of Chicago and the Rose-Marie and Jack R. Anderson Senior Fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institution.

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  • Administrator2
    09-23 10:28 AM
    We believe that this is a great idea to address our issues and at the same time allows us to do our share in the time of crisis. Please send the personalized email communication ASAP as the key lawmakers are in the process of discussing possible package to address the economic/housing crisis.

    Even if this is not designed to directly help your situation, please understand that if such a proposal is accepted, it will make most green card applicants exempt which will free up visa numbers for those who do not want to seek such an exemption. So it is a win-win situation for all. Kindly send communications ASAP.


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  • snram4
    01-15 05:48 PM
    For the past 2 years there were so many RFEs and denials and no body knew what basis. But if they bring a regulation and follow that everybody can prepare ahead and no surprises. It is not a question of making profit. They have to make profit by following law and ethics and not by using loopholes. The regulations will make the companies to follow the rules of the game. If bodyshoppers follow the law and ethics without any fraud they will become reputed companies and the regulations will not destroy them. But their profit may go down but good for everyone. Inspite of insane rules annual cap is reached even unemployment is decade high. I would term protectionist if annual cap is reduced or they make restrictions such that h1b cap usage is so low. In India best persons are available and whatever restrictions they put Indian techies will overcome unless they block it completely. 65k H1b is attached to WTO and no way they can reduce that.


    It seems you are concerned about companies making profit than what happens to you. That is a typical socialist/communist thought process. Communists/socialists are worried/jealous about companies making profit rather than their own well being. Ironically you are in the capitalist meca of the world.

    If you are not fine with companies making profit, you shouldn't be here in the first place.

    H1B rules are on the slavery lines already. Think about all the restrictions we have to undergo just because of H1B. Irrespective of whether H1B is allowed on consulting, consulting is here to stay in US and all over the world. If not H1B, Citizens and GC holders will do the consulting.

    The only thing many of us are good at is screwing our own countrymen and colleagues. Did it ever come to your thought that existing H1B rules are insane already ?


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  • snram4
    01-17 10:32 AM
    This kind of attitude will not help to acheive your goal. If US congress does not pass immigration that favors you may abuse everyone. Before that can you name any single country has such a better immiration policy than USA. You may name Canada and Australia. Canada many immigrants are struggling to survive for years so that is not attractive destination. Everyone knows what happens in Australia. A few violence will be enough to reduce immigration.

    Still USA is best destination for world inspite of ugly recession. So if you want change any inequality or decrimination better fight with facts but not showing frustration. We got complete right to fight any discrimination or inequality both legally and by lobbying. Similarly our opponents also have same right to fight for their arguments. Using abusive words will do more harm than any benefit

    These US born donkeys - Dustbin, Grassley, Sanders, Hira, Matloff, Moira Herbst, Thibodeau, Miano, Kim Berry, Rob Sanchez, Donna Conroy, ... - have US Citizenship (USC) tatooed on their ass.

    Every time you ask them to do something, they flash the USC on their ass.

    It worked a couple of times at welfare. After that, and at all other places, everyone urinates on their USC.

    Janet Napilatano and Hilda Hilda L. Solis Memos cannot stop everyone from unrinating on these thorough bred asses.

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  • RandyK
    05-01 02:46 PM

    DO NOT bring politics into this forum.

    LTTE is a terrorist organization banned all over the world, first by India and US.

    If you go read about the situation on the UN site you will find out that the civilians are held hostage by the LTTE and that is the main reason for the civilians to be in this situation.

    If you want to see what LTTE is doing to their OWN people click on the link below and click on the link on the right hand side on top. You will see like 20 LTTE terrorists shooting at like 5000 tamils trying to escape from them. This was taken from a UAV of the SL Gov like a week ago.


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  • ita
    03-30 01:13 PM
    I didn't know Lord Rama was part of BJP's manifesto this time.
    You are so stuck with 90's. MMS brought economic reforms in 90's so he's reforms guy even though he didn't bring any in his current term.
    LK was Lord Rama guy in 90's so he is Lord Rama guy even now.Just check BJP manifesto this time.

    Santhan and the like(s)...I'm just breaking it down here...

    Like I said in my previous posts religion is played heavily by MMS govt (read as Sonia...I'm sure MMS is a nice person) 4000 Missionaries came to India in last 5 years.More 4000 may come if you give them chance.Now nothing wrong with it generally speaking (except that only christian missionaries were granted visas and Jewsih groups were denied visas) but something wrong if we go by your 'I'don't care if Sankaracharya is jailed,I don't care for lord Rama guys' attitude.

    Now these missionaries are setting up miracle boxes ,so far in rural areas, where poor people that drop their wishes in the box see miracles happening.Only hitch is entire family has to convert to Christianity.Yeah abuse of poverty.But there is discrimination (hoping that when you speak of poor you speak of poor of all religions)even in miracles.Some how these missionaries don't dare to mess with Muslim poor.So Muslim poor are left alone. Neither your MMS wrapped State does anything to alleviate their poverty nor these missionaries shower their miracles on them.

    BTW it's not poor and Sankaracharya alone there are also other religious(for now Hindu) leaders in their list(Satya Sai Baba, Mata Amritanandamayee, Shri Shri Ravi Shanker Maharaj and many more) Now what's common in them apart from being Hindu leaders they are also immensely into helping your favorite poor people (no conversions though,you don't want to believe me just check out Mata Amritanandamayee's social service camps not for just Hindus all over the world.)

    Now if a doctor doesn't get patients how will he survive?
    Same way how will missionaries conduct their business if the poor and needy are helped .It's assured State won't help these poor population.Those who are helping them should go to jails so their popularity gets a dent among the masses.(not that their service stops anyways) So you MMS wrapper is facilitating all this.

    I know too much stuff but our biased/bought media won't highlight these facts.Remember how A.P High court held media for setting up a 'media trial' even before anything was proved in Sankaracharya case?(nothing was proved till date but since you don't care let's not go there)

    So your favorite MMS govt was busy with such things so far.

    I know ignorance is bliss but know that bliss will not last long.

    I am not saying MMS is the best....but better than others. Do you believe the so called Left the savior of our country. I am not bothering who is ruling or not. My only worry - what is done for our future. I strongly believe Left was the speed bump to the development of the country. Mr.Advani dont have anything but Ram Temple. I hardly see any value in that. He runs his politics based on religon and Ram temple. Let him put the plan and vision for out future, to build stronger India....I will be the first one to vote for him.

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  • GC_1000Watt
    09-24 02:39 AM
    based on your calculations it seems that
    sep/oct 2010 bulletin might have Sept 2006 as priority date for EB2-I.


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  • ita
    03-30 10:56 PM
    To the person that gave me Red comment-to the post subject: why talk lies?

    Did you read my post ?I said at the end of my post in bold that I believe human beings are all equal not matter what group they belong to.Where did you infer from that I hate minorities and I feel me or some group is special?

    You want to let your anger/whatever dim your senses it's up to you.Don't attribute things I didn't say to me.

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  • greencard_fever
    07-25 10:31 AM
    Well I agree with you and some other members. Most of these lawyers don't know crap what they are talking about. I have my white lawyer, so far the experience has been good with him, but when I asked about the current dates, he was quiet perplexed.

    The fact is , no one has done calculation like we IV members, also in Ron's post nothing was mentioned about horizontal or vertical movement. All the comments made by this lawyer are more on subjective and speculative lines.

    Ron Gotcher is simply doing a guess work here,

    It's reverse psychology, create a little tension among applicants, and the lawyers will get more clients for answers. Believe it or not, IV has affected a lot lawyers business, as now members here are more educated in filling up different forms themselves. Somehow I feel, even a firm like Murthy law looks up to IV for latest updates.

    Well said,Yes attorneys would not know much about the recent changes in processing the application and VISA spill over changes.I bet every since IV made a remarkable place in Immigration community Murthy might be experiencing cut down in new clients and less mumber of Hits to MURTHY.COM

    Kudos to IV and all Core team members.


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  • villamonte6100
    12-14 02:09 PM
    Could you please tell us the problem on this law that can be changed to help us.

    Federal Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) Laws

    The Federal laws prohibiting job discrimination are:

    Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin;

    the Equal Pay Act of 1963 (EPA), which protects men and women who perform substantially equal work in the same establishment from sex-based wage discrimination;

    the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA), which protects individuals who are 40 years of age or older;

    Title I and Title V of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA), which prohibit employment discrimination against qualified individuals with disabilities in the private sector, and in state and local governments;

    Sections 501 and 505 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, which prohibit discrimination against qualified individuals with disabilities who work in the federal government;


    the Civil Rights Act of 1991, which, among other things, provides monetary damages in cases of intentional employment discrimination.

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  • grimreaper
    07-21 05:10 PM
    I've also been approached by Amway people both in the Bay Area and beyond. I despise their tactics and their deception as much as (or more than!) anyone.

    But let's not let it affect our community. Let's not let a few bad apples ruin that unmistakable bond we feel in America when we spot a fellow desi from afar. Now, any time I approach a desi to make a friend, I state in a jovial-yet-serious way, "don't worry, I'm not one of those Amway guys!" That's obviously not the first thing I say, but I make sure to throw that line in during the first minute or so of the conversation. If the fellow desi knows Amway, it gets a laugh, "oh, phew, that's a relief!" Once at an IKEA, I saw a desi who seemed to be following me. Turned out he wasn't following me at all. I asked him in a clearly joking tone, "Please tell me you're not with Amway!" He burst out laughing and we became friends (needless to say, he was not with Amway!).

    So why don't we all agree on a similar approach? If we meet each other in public, let's simply state that we're not with Amway. And if you're accosted, simply ask that person if they're affiliated with Amway. Plain and simple.

    How does this sound to others?

    Sounds like a good approach. I am going to use this line as a greeter in the future.


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  • mallu
    02-16 05:09 PM
    ....I am riveted by this because I spoke to Oppenheim just the day before this meeting (he referred to it). This was the conversation in which he told me that at present EB-2 India would only get numbers leftover from EB-1 India -- the problem is he doesn't know either exactly how many EB-2 India adjudicated applications there are in any specific PD range -- so every month he makes wild guesses, with the intent of using up visas. ...
    I sent an email to Attorney Greg ( ), may be he knows something about it.

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  • chanduv23
    02-14 03:05 PM
    Totally agree. A and B are not mutually exclusive. We need to push for admin fix and in the meantime explore lawsuit possibility WITHOUT using IV name (does not mean IV members cannot participate as individuals in the lawsuit).

    Agree - but such an action needs strong leadership and trusted members - till now no one is affirmative. Merely taking the poll does not suffice.

    I would recommend that someone stand up as a leader (probably 5 core members who are committed) and then reqruit members into a googlegroup or a yahoogroup.


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  • needhelp!
    09-24 11:49 AM
    Act on this one now!

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  • chintu25
    02-13 11:23 AM
    Ok - so what is it going to cost us to get a consult with Rajiv Khanna? Anyone know this? Until we have more details on this, I commit $25 for this first consultation. (I will gladly raise the commitment once I know how much this will cost and if IV Core Members support this initiative).

    We have three now and atleast 8 who supported this issue on the thread


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  • mirage
    03-27 03:47 PM
    Thanks for Sharing. I watch Indian Politics very very closely, but haven't heard of him till today, Indian media is too obsessed with Rahul Gandhi and Sarkozy. They don't have time for real people...
    My vote is for Dr. Jaya Prakash Narayan. He has done good things as a doctor and then as a collector in AP.

    Of course he stands no chance, but I think he started a movement (grassroots) - hopefully it is the beginning of some positive change.

    Check out his speech at a Mumbai university. - Part 1 - Part 2 - Part 3


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  • Googler
    02-16 02:37 PM
    Suppose the admin fix to recapture 'lost' visas is a success. How many will India Eb2 get out of that ? May be 5000 ?
    One really needs to know the number of India Eb2 applicants pending in each year ( of PD ) . If it iturns out , say , there are 25000 I-485 applications with PD up to year 2002, then ?!
    Will a USCIS customer service rep be able to help us with this question :
    "Sir/Madam how many India EB2 applicants are waiting , with PD earlier than mine ? " .

    My friend, in 2003-2004 alone there were 136K EB greencards wasted. When recaptured, in the past they have been given to oversubscribed countries. That is almost an entire years supply of EB greencards.

    As far as your last question goes: I'm amazed, given your interest in this subject, that you have not read the 2005-2006-2007 Ombudsmans reports which discusses in some detail how USCIS claims that it cannot provide data on pending applications by EB preference, country of chargeability, and PD. Do take some time to familiarize yourself with these reports (and read the damn footnotes.)

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  • a.j.2048
    03-27 01:04 PM
    I suspect there will be better leaders from the generation born after 1947. The next rung of leadership like Mayawati, Modi, Nitish Kumar, Shivraj Chauhan are all born after independence.

    01-13 03:32 PM
    You've got to be high or sick or both - go see a doctor. Right now you're just throwing trash around.
    great so you're trying to incite arguments between members and calling people names. you just proved my point. well don't waste time making empty threats or inciting people on forums.
    You can take your trash somewhere else.
    If you had any ideas you should have talked to your IV state rep in the last 4 years, it doesn't matter what you post.
    Ahhh Tony my friend. You have been a sight for sore eyes. You know how they say a known devil is better than an unknown devil. Lets just say i know where you stand. I do not agree with you but i respect you motivation and i will support your right to express it with my life, but my friend .....

    What is this.. This is not how a person should talk. I will not protect or propaget this abuses :P with my little pinkie finger

    You've got to be high or sick or both - go see a doctor. Right now you're just throwing trash around.
    You know what i am not sick but i really need a cig right now. Jokes aside High or sick hmmmmmmm see a doctor WTF ??. What is with this young people in this worl world. Throwing trash around. woooooooooooooooo
    Ok i I rest my case. Nothing good will come out of here

    great so you're trying to incite arguments between members and calling people names. you just proved my point. well don't waste time making empty threats or inciting people on forums.
    You can take your trash somewhere else.
    I am Calling whome what ????? Empty threats ???? HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa What threats are you talking about? Inciting people on the forum. You #@$@#$# (God i try but some people are so out of control u know - That was me talking to myself stopping mysefl from using strong words)

    ok sorry abt that. Mr Tony Sirji kindly go and read my commnets to NUKE (A nice guy). It would be the second last comments on this post. After that if you think i am still inciting people you and i have no common ground to talk about anything (Sad i know. I woudl rather be friendly with everyone then fight with someone)

    If you had any ideas you should have talked to your IV state rep in the last 4 years, it doesn't matter what you post.
    Well if i had some ideas in the last 4 years i assure you i would have. Sorry to dissapoint you but i am not a genius. Hmmm wish i was the i would invent something.

    Anyway to get back to the point NO you are wrong about the statement it doesn't matter what you post.Everyone and every idea matters to IV. If not IV would not be what it is now. Albeit i admit my idea may not work(Most probabaly will not) but hey i did come up with one you never know what things will shake up because of some small idea or something some one said (Remember that it works both ways so if you say something stupid it will also reflect on you (Like it is now) and on the organization you represent)

    06-02 03:44 PM
    Why is it absurd to change the country quota? What is the use of the country it necessary for diversity? The primary basis by which a person qualifies for employment based GC is through his academic qualifications and work is deciding how many GCs you would give based on country of birth relevant in this case. What is the basis of such a rule unless you want to limit the no. of people coming from countries which produce large no. of qualified, educated people. How is this fair considering that India and China produce at least 10 times more college graduates than most other countries in the world other than the USA.

    If promoting diversity was the cause, there's already a diversity GC process and people from India, China and some other countries are not eligible to apply in those categories.
    If limiting people from certain ethinic backgrounds based on current population of USA is a criterion - lets get this fact straight - Indian americans are less than 0.4% of US population there are far more people of vietnamese, philipino and few other southeast asian origin in the USA. In fact if limiting people of certain ethnic background from becoming larger part of the population and maintaining racial diversity had been a criterion, people of Irish, Polish, British, German (or most EU countries) shouldn't be allowed to immigrate to US at all since people of those heritage already form large % of the population. Yet, any similarly qualified person from these countries can get a EB GC in a year or two now while an Indian has to wait 8 - 10 years.

    I am quite sure a skilled civil rights lawyer can prove the current situation against Indians in EB category as case of discrimation based on country of birth, since the stated goal of the EB category is immigration based on skills and academic qualifications.

    I am the one , who proposed this idea, and people tend to disagree.
    I am again saying , the only solution is a lawsuit.

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