sanju
06-30 03:55 PM
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Does not mean to say this in any disrespectful way but the analogy I can draw for Ombudsman and Gautam is –
Ombudsman ****************************** make as much noise as he wants but people can just chose to look in the other direction and ignore. Ombudsman has no power whatsoever. Reading the Washington Post article about Dick Cheney and learning from it how this administration works, I ask myself a question - when would someone get up to kick ombudsman ****************as he is simply documenting the inefficiencies of USCIS and this administration.
Gautam – I saw this guy in CA at Rep Gutierrez meeting. ***************************************This guy talked to Rep Gutierrez in a derogatory and condescending manner and such immature behavior doesn't help the cause and it spoils the environment.
FYI, ombudsman office replies to most people who write to them. They conduct bi-weekly conference call to find out problems of the people. They do it only to include these problems in their year end report. The objective is to document and show that ombudsman is doing what they are supposed to do i.e. document problems for the YEAR END REPORT.
Gautam Agarwal...who was planning on going to Wharton based on the july bulletin... have you heard anything from the ombudsman office on this speculation of retrogression???
Does not mean to say this in any disrespectful way but the analogy I can draw for Ombudsman and Gautam is –
Ombudsman ****************************** make as much noise as he wants but people can just chose to look in the other direction and ignore. Ombudsman has no power whatsoever. Reading the Washington Post article about Dick Cheney and learning from it how this administration works, I ask myself a question - when would someone get up to kick ombudsman ****************as he is simply documenting the inefficiencies of USCIS and this administration.
Gautam – I saw this guy in CA at Rep Gutierrez meeting. ***************************************This guy talked to Rep Gutierrez in a derogatory and condescending manner and such immature behavior doesn't help the cause and it spoils the environment.
FYI, ombudsman office replies to most people who write to them. They conduct bi-weekly conference call to find out problems of the people. They do it only to include these problems in their year end report. The objective is to document and show that ombudsman is doing what they are supposed to do i.e. document problems for the YEAR END REPORT.
Gautam Agarwal...who was planning on going to Wharton based on the july bulletin... have you heard anything from the ombudsman office on this speculation of retrogression???
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javadeveloper
02-23 10:59 AM
Hi
We are in AOS pending status.iam on EAD.
After seeing the economy Iam planning to send my wife to india. She is pregnant ( 2 months).
Now I have job and in future if I get into any trouble with project Etc.. I need to pay the medical insurance and will have lot of financial issues.
How difficult is to bring new infant to US from India while our AOS is pending and apply 485.
( Visito visa Etc..)
Any suggestions.
Thanks
1.You need to be on h1(your wife&kid needs to be on H4)
2.My suggestion:use EAD if you need to use but don't send your wife to India.Use your savings for your Insurance & living(in the worst case).
3.Also keep in mind that you have to spend about $2000 to send her to india and bring back to US with which you can buy 3 months of insurance.
We are in AOS pending status.iam on EAD.
After seeing the economy Iam planning to send my wife to india. She is pregnant ( 2 months).
Now I have job and in future if I get into any trouble with project Etc.. I need to pay the medical insurance and will have lot of financial issues.
How difficult is to bring new infant to US from India while our AOS is pending and apply 485.
( Visito visa Etc..)
Any suggestions.
Thanks
1.You need to be on h1(your wife&kid needs to be on H4)
2.My suggestion:use EAD if you need to use but don't send your wife to India.Use your savings for your Insurance & living(in the worst case).
3.Also keep in mind that you have to spend about $2000 to send her to india and bring back to US with which you can buy 3 months of insurance.
walking_dude
03-14 10:22 AM
There is nothing much IV can do to fix the inefficiency of the USCIS. How can IV help if USCIS cannot do its job in time? We can request them to work harder, thats all we can do.
Multi-year EAD/APs ( 3 years) are already part of the ongoing IV Admin fixes campaign. Having 3 year EAD/APs will fix some of the issues mentioned by you.
Guys,
I guess we are here long on waiting for our green cards in the mean time I am suggesting we do a letter campaign to write in thousands to the USCIS director and lodge our protest about the problem the immigrant community is facing because of delays and irregularities in adjudication of EADs and APs. First and foremost things is a document which USCIS takes 6 months to Adjudicate is valid for 1 year which makes no sense.
Secondly USCIS should make efforts to make adjudicate it in not more than 2 months since we have to make travel plans etc. We should not be bounded by these documents. If for some reason it takes more than 2 months than 1 should able to get it via infopass, and a family member's death should not be the only reason to get the AP we are human beings and we have other social bondings too like marriages etc. I urge the core team to take steps to come forward a begin a campaign.... I guess this is the foremost need of the moment for 1000s of us..
Multi-year EAD/APs ( 3 years) are already part of the ongoing IV Admin fixes campaign. Having 3 year EAD/APs will fix some of the issues mentioned by you.
Guys,
I guess we are here long on waiting for our green cards in the mean time I am suggesting we do a letter campaign to write in thousands to the USCIS director and lodge our protest about the problem the immigrant community is facing because of delays and irregularities in adjudication of EADs and APs. First and foremost things is a document which USCIS takes 6 months to Adjudicate is valid for 1 year which makes no sense.
Secondly USCIS should make efforts to make adjudicate it in not more than 2 months since we have to make travel plans etc. We should not be bounded by these documents. If for some reason it takes more than 2 months than 1 should able to get it via infopass, and a family member's death should not be the only reason to get the AP we are human beings and we have other social bondings too like marriages etc. I urge the core team to take steps to come forward a begin a campaign.... I guess this is the foremost need of the moment for 1000s of us..
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d15photographer
August 14th, 2006, 07:53 PM
hi guys.
did not mean to turn this into a canon - nikon debate. im just strongly considering switching to a better known brand. the biggest problem i have with pentax is that their products are not as readily avalible.
eg. a local camera store will have 20 canon products 20 nikon products but onley about 5 or 6 pentax products in stock. simpel stuff like a cabel sutter release i had to wait 3 monthes for. if i had a nikon i could have gotten a fancy programabal cabel release. a lot of little stuff like that is one of the big reasons that i am considering nikon or canon.
i dont have alot of glass invested in pentax yet and i think it would be better to change now before im stuck with 5grand worth of pentax and then really neading to change my sistem.
im planing on spending some money on lenses and would rather invest in nikon than pentax. im also pritty sure that i would rather go nikon than canon, no offence mats, but i know alot of photographers who are happy with nikon and i just like the look and feel of nikon more than canon. so now the onley quistion left is d50, d70, or d80...
did not mean to turn this into a canon - nikon debate. im just strongly considering switching to a better known brand. the biggest problem i have with pentax is that their products are not as readily avalible.
eg. a local camera store will have 20 canon products 20 nikon products but onley about 5 or 6 pentax products in stock. simpel stuff like a cabel sutter release i had to wait 3 monthes for. if i had a nikon i could have gotten a fancy programabal cabel release. a lot of little stuff like that is one of the big reasons that i am considering nikon or canon.
i dont have alot of glass invested in pentax yet and i think it would be better to change now before im stuck with 5grand worth of pentax and then really neading to change my sistem.
im planing on spending some money on lenses and would rather invest in nikon than pentax. im also pritty sure that i would rather go nikon than canon, no offence mats, but i know alot of photographers who are happy with nikon and i just like the look and feel of nikon more than canon. so now the onley quistion left is d50, d70, or d80...
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vikki76
04-15 09:19 PM
I agree to every comment made about Cathay /Singopore Airlines- but what are people's experiences with Emirates?
factoryman
02-09 07:21 PM
Congressmen from hi-tech SF and CA.
Rep. Lofgren (D - CA) : 16th District - San Jose
Rep. Eshoo (D- CA) : 14th District - San Francisco, San Jose, Santa Cruz
Rep. Pelosi (D - CA) : 8th District - San Francisco and north
That is why they may be using this tactic to bring pressure from hospitals from that area. Anyone from here spoke or wrote to these congressmen, that I posted in the other thread (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=47625&postcount=1) at IV.
Rep. Lofgren (D - CA) : 16th District - San Jose
Rep. Eshoo (D- CA) : 14th District - San Francisco, San Jose, Santa Cruz
Rep. Pelosi (D - CA) : 8th District - San Francisco and north
That is why they may be using this tactic to bring pressure from hospitals from that area. Anyone from here spoke or wrote to these congressmen, that I posted in the other thread (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=47625&postcount=1) at IV.
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illusions
04-15 01:07 PM
wow... man 9 years is like an eternity for me... you deserve it, wish ur wait would have been shorter tho, nevertheless you have it now so enjoy!
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lost_in_migration
09-20 10:04 AM
Good find. This reporter was successful in differentiating between high skilled legal immigrants and the low skilled illegals!! Our rally is bearing fruits as far as educating people about our problems is concerned
NPRs market place full article can be found here
http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2007/09/20/skilled_immigrant_protests/
NPRs market place full article can be found here
http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2007/09/20/skilled_immigrant_protests/
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dsneyog
11-23 11:44 PM
Hi All,
I am self-filing my i-131 application this week. Here are the briefs about status:
Current Status: Working on EAD, 485-pending (July 2007 Application)
I am dependent on my husband's green-card application. I used my 6 years of H1-B and started working on EAD about 6 months back. We never applied for AP before. My husband extended his H-1B beyond 6 years as I-485 is in process.
I am tryin gto find complete list of documents for the application. I am planning to travel on Caribbean Cruise on Feb 27, 2010. I hope to get my AP approved by then. To avoid any RFIs I wnat to make sure I am sending everything that is needed.
1. Completed form I-131
2. 2 Photographs (size 2x2) with white/grey background. Head height and eye positions as per USCIS guidelines.
3. Copy of EAD
4. Copy of I-797C (I-485 receipt)
5. Copy of Arrpoved I-140
6. Copy of all pages of Current passport
7. Copy of all pages of expired passport
8. Copy of Driver's License
9. Marriage certificate (do I need this? Because I am am dependent on my Husband's 485 application)
10. Birth certificate (again do I need this. but I read somewhere)
11. Letter explaining why I qualify for AP (is there standard format for this? )
I really appreciate all help regarding this. I read many posts but most of them were about renewing AP or EAD/AP together.
Thanks a lot.
I am self-filing my i-131 application this week. Here are the briefs about status:
Current Status: Working on EAD, 485-pending (July 2007 Application)
I am dependent on my husband's green-card application. I used my 6 years of H1-B and started working on EAD about 6 months back. We never applied for AP before. My husband extended his H-1B beyond 6 years as I-485 is in process.
I am tryin gto find complete list of documents for the application. I am planning to travel on Caribbean Cruise on Feb 27, 2010. I hope to get my AP approved by then. To avoid any RFIs I wnat to make sure I am sending everything that is needed.
1. Completed form I-131
2. 2 Photographs (size 2x2) with white/grey background. Head height and eye positions as per USCIS guidelines.
3. Copy of EAD
4. Copy of I-797C (I-485 receipt)
5. Copy of Arrpoved I-140
6. Copy of all pages of Current passport
7. Copy of all pages of expired passport
8. Copy of Driver's License
9. Marriage certificate (do I need this? Because I am am dependent on my Husband's 485 application)
10. Birth certificate (again do I need this. but I read somewhere)
11. Letter explaining why I qualify for AP (is there standard format for this? )
I really appreciate all help regarding this. I read many posts but most of them were about renewing AP or EAD/AP together.
Thanks a lot.
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inrealmess
10-11 04:08 PM
hi,
this might look an essay but this is true ----------------
i filed my 485/ead/ap in july and i have received my ead. now the situation is very tense for me since my emloyer has stopped paying since july and when i asked for my salaries he said i will revoke your 140 and terminate your job if you crib about salary .
he is doing this to another colleague of my the same thing . now if we leave the company , he will get a valid reason to revoke the 140 and thats why we are not leaving too and we are hardly surviving without salries .
anyone has any suggestions on this issue , i will appreciate any suggestions
thanks and regards
this might look an essay but this is true ----------------
i filed my 485/ead/ap in july and i have received my ead. now the situation is very tense for me since my emloyer has stopped paying since july and when i asked for my salaries he said i will revoke your 140 and terminate your job if you crib about salary .
he is doing this to another colleague of my the same thing . now if we leave the company , he will get a valid reason to revoke the 140 and thats why we are not leaving too and we are hardly surviving without salries .
anyone has any suggestions on this issue , i will appreciate any suggestions
thanks and regards
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kondur_007
02-23 07:11 PM
Well, in the middle of negative comments, I have something positive to add here.
I do agree that what you did was not a right thing to do on H visa; however, it is not uncommon, mostly because many people are unaware of it.
In any case, I have following comments/solutions for you:
1. When you worked on 1099, you violated H1 visa status, so you were out of status starting from the day you first worked on 1099. However, you were not "illegally present"; only "out of status".
2. Since you have not filed 485 yet, you can correct this thing before filing 485, and here is how:
If you have H1 visa stamped on the passport already, it is very simple. You need to go to Canada, Mexico (to have a margarita :)) or any other country and come back (make sure you get new I94; so preferably do this by air). And then file 485. The rule is, your "out of status" period counts from your last legal entry and nobody will question you for the "out of status" period before that.
If you do not have H1 stamped, you need to go to your home country and get it stamped first and then come back on new I 94.
Above applies to all the dependents as well.
3. I know of a case on a different forum where USCIS actually denied 485 on the grounds of this 1099 issue (do not want to scare you, but it can happen as your "out of status" days will exceed 6 months and 245 (k) will not protect you). In that case, the person affected is going to "reenter" and then refile 485 (using the same 140 and PD); and I believe he will be successful (I donot know whether he already did it or not). In your case, since you have not yet filed 485, above solution 2 will be the best option.
Lastly, I AM NOT A LAWYER and I do not know all the variables in your case! Follow the advise of a good lawyer.
So at the end; I will not advise anyone to break the law and work on 1099 on H1 as it is clearly unintended use; but yes, it is fixable....
Good Luck.
I do agree that what you did was not a right thing to do on H visa; however, it is not uncommon, mostly because many people are unaware of it.
In any case, I have following comments/solutions for you:
1. When you worked on 1099, you violated H1 visa status, so you were out of status starting from the day you first worked on 1099. However, you were not "illegally present"; only "out of status".
2. Since you have not filed 485 yet, you can correct this thing before filing 485, and here is how:
If you have H1 visa stamped on the passport already, it is very simple. You need to go to Canada, Mexico (to have a margarita :)) or any other country and come back (make sure you get new I94; so preferably do this by air). And then file 485. The rule is, your "out of status" period counts from your last legal entry and nobody will question you for the "out of status" period before that.
If you do not have H1 stamped, you need to go to your home country and get it stamped first and then come back on new I 94.
Above applies to all the dependents as well.
3. I know of a case on a different forum where USCIS actually denied 485 on the grounds of this 1099 issue (do not want to scare you, but it can happen as your "out of status" days will exceed 6 months and 245 (k) will not protect you). In that case, the person affected is going to "reenter" and then refile 485 (using the same 140 and PD); and I believe he will be successful (I donot know whether he already did it or not). In your case, since you have not yet filed 485, above solution 2 will be the best option.
Lastly, I AM NOT A LAWYER and I do not know all the variables in your case! Follow the advise of a good lawyer.
So at the end; I will not advise anyone to break the law and work on 1099 on H1 as it is clearly unintended use; but yes, it is fixable....
Good Luck.
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kisana
09-02 11:11 AM
As amitkhare77 mentoned that you need to inform the your payroll department. probably you needto file the I9 again. Please consult some lawyer.
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greencard_fever
04-07 05:56 PM
Here's another parallel Idea.
Let us try to schedule a meet with the prospective presidential Candidates (McCain, Clinton and Obama) instead to let them know our issues.
By the time we actually get a meeting with the current president, his term may have expired. The presidential candidates, on the other hand will have some time now (not a whole lot but a little). If we squeeze some time there, we may be able to atleast get our issues out there.
we can do this to get the Dems attention to our problems...right now Obama and Clinton are campaining in PA..so the IV members who are from PA can try to meet them and explain our problems.. when they are out there for campaining..
Let us try to schedule a meet with the prospective presidential Candidates (McCain, Clinton and Obama) instead to let them know our issues.
By the time we actually get a meeting with the current president, his term may have expired. The presidential candidates, on the other hand will have some time now (not a whole lot but a little). If we squeeze some time there, we may be able to atleast get our issues out there.
we can do this to get the Dems attention to our problems...right now Obama and Clinton are campaining in PA..so the IV members who are from PA can try to meet them and explain our problems.. when they are out there for campaining..
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walking_dude
01-18 03:25 PM
Having 3 years EAD/AP and ability to refile AOS (in the worst case) is the best workable solution to an economic turndown and lay-off. Having a recapture done will also help many
IV already has this as part of the letters campaign. Everyone worried about recession, lay-off etc. must support IV campaign with full vigor.
IV already has this as part of the letters campaign. Everyone worried about recession, lay-off etc. must support IV campaign with full vigor.
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getrdone
11-12 05:05 PM
Can you please tell me, when was this announced? Is this a new rule ?
I think people converting from F1 to H1 go to mexico.
yes its new rule..dont know when it came to effect
I think people converting from F1 to H1 go to mexico.
yes its new rule..dont know when it came to effect
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chosenone52
10-02 06:09 PM
So am still little confused... Should I go this route... The reason is the company who is willing to do my GC is doing also in good faith. But with the economy the way it shapes up... they are not sure, but as a good faith they did agree to start my GC process. Well I will be bearing the lawyer expenses...they would manage the mandatory fees. So they have very little to loose.
What do you guys suggest! I have heard many people who work with company A and GC is done by Company B ... ( Correct me if I am wrong here)
Appreciated
What do you guys suggest! I have heard many people who work with company A and GC is done by Company B ... ( Correct me if I am wrong here)
Appreciated
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Lisap
08-27 05:54 PM
Should I call CIS to see what they say??? Anyone??
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07-17 07:06 PM
http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=25#HowToContribute
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purgan
10-12 12:24 AM
We've all heard about the skilled immigrant co-founders of Yahoo, Google, Ebay, and others.....but Youtube, the revolutionary internet-video sharing service, which was this week acquired by Google for $1.65 Billion, was also foudned by skilled immigrants- actually the son of skilled immigrants who probably came on H-1B visas the US- both are research scientists in Minnesota. These typify the H1B and EB immigrants.....if only our energies were not sapped by this frustrating Green Card process:-):mad:
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NY Times, Oct 12, 2006
With YouTube, Grad Student Hits Jackpot Again
PALO ALTO, Calif., Oct. 11 — For Jawed Karim, the $100,000 or so he would have to spend on a master’s degree at Stanford was never daunting. He hit an Internet jackpot in 2002 when PayPal, the online payment company he had joined early on, was bought by eBay.
On Monday, still early in his studies for the fall term, he got lucky again. This time he may have hit the Internet equivalent of the multistate PowerBall.
Mr. Karim is the third of the three founders of the video site YouTube, which Google has agreed to buy for $1.65 billion. He was present at YouTube’s creation, contributing some crucial ideas about a Web site where users could share video. But academia had more allure than the details of turning that idea into a business.
So while his partners Chad Hurley and Steven Chen built the company and went on to become Internet and media celebrities, he quietly went back to class, working toward a degree in computer science.
Mr. Karim, who is 27, became visibly uncomfortable when the subject turned to money, and he would not say what he stands to make when Google’s purchase of YouTube is completed. He said only that he is one of the company’s largest individual shareholders, though he owns less of the company than his two partners, whose stakes in the company are likely to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars, according to some estimates. The deal was so enormous, he says, that his share was still plenty big.
“The sheer size of the acquisition almost makes the details irrelevant,” Mr. Karim said.
On Wednesday, during a walk across campus and a visit to his dorm room and the computer sciences building where he takes classes, Mr. Karim described himself as a nerd who gets excited about learning. Nothing in his understated demeanor suggests he is anything other than an ordinary graduate student, and he attracted little attention on campus in jeans, a blue polo shirt, a tan jacket and black Puma sneakers.
Mr. Karim said he might keep a hand in entrepreneurship, and he dreams of having an impact on the way people use the Internet — something he has already done. Philanthropy may have some appeal, down the road. But mostly he just wants to be a professor. He said he simply hopes to follow in the footsteps of other Stanford academics who struck it rich in Silicon Valley and went back to teaching.
“There’s a few billionaires in that building,” he said, standing in front of the William Gates Computer Science Building. But his chosen path will not preclude another stint at a start-up. “If I see another opportunity like YouTube, I can always do that,” he said.
David L. Dill, a professor of computer science at Stanford, said Mr. Karim’s choice was unusual.
“I’m impressed that given his success in business he decided to do the master’s program here,” Mr. Dill said. “The tradition here has been in the other direction,” he said, pointing to the founders of Google and Yahoo, who left Stanford for the business world.
Mr. Karim met Mr. Hurley and Mr. Chen when all three of them worked at PayPal. After the company was acquired by eBay for $1.5 billion, netting Mr. Karim a few million dollars, they often talked about starting another company.
By early 2005, all three had left PayPal. They would often meet late at night for brainstorming sessions at Max’s Opera Caf�, near Stanford, Mr. Karim said. Sometimes they met at Mr. Hurley’s place in Menlo Park or Mr. Karim’s apartment on Sand Hill Road, down the street from Sequoia Capital, the venture firm that would become YouTube’s financial backer.
Mr. Karim said he pitched the idea of a video-sharing Web site to the group. But he made it clear that contributions from Mr. Chen and Mr. Hurley were essential in turning his raw idea into what eventually became YouTube.
A YouTube spokeswoman said that the genesis of YouTube involved efforts by all three founders.
As early as February 2005, when the site was introduced, Mr. Karim said he and his partners had agreed that he would not become an employee, but rather an informal adviser to YouTube. He did not take a salary, benefits or even a formal title. “I was focused on school,” he said.
The decision meant that his stake in the company would be reduced, Mr. Karim said. “We negotiated something that we thought was fair.”
Roelof Botha, the Sequoia partner who led the investment in YouTube, said he would have preferred if Mr. Karim had stayed.
“I wish we could have kept him as part of the company,” Mr. Botha said. “He was very, very creative. We were doing everything we could to convince him to defer.”
Mr. Karim was born in East Germany in 1972. The family moved to West Germany a year later and to St. Paul, Minn., in 1992. His father, Naimul Karim, is a researcher at 3M and his mother, Christine Karim, is a research assistant professor of biochemistry at the University of Minnesota.
“To develop new things and be aware of new things, this is our life,” Ms. Karim said, explaining her son’s interest in technology and learning.
After graduating from high school, Jawed Karim chose to go to the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, in part because it was the school that the co-founder of Netscape, Marc Andreessen, and others who gave birth to the first popular Web browser attended.
“It wasn’t like I wanted to be the next Marc Andreessen, but it would be cool to be in the same place,” Mr. Karim said. In 2000, during his junior year, he dropped out to head to Silicon Valley, where he joined PayPal. He later finished his undergraduate degree by taking some courses online and some at Santa Clara University.
Armed with a video camera, Mr. Karim documented much of YouTube’s early life, including the meetings when the three discussed financing strategies and the brainstorming sessions in Mr. Hurley’s garage, where the company was hatched.
In his studio apartment in a residence hall for graduate students, he showed one of them, which he said was filmed in April 2005. In it, Mr. Chen talked about “getting pretty depressed” because there were only 50 or 60 videos on the YouTube site. Also, he said, “there’s not that many videos I’d want to watch.” The camera then turns to Mr. Hurley, who grins and says “Videos like these,” referring to the one Mr. Karim is filming.
Mr. Karim, who has remained in frequent contact with the other co-founders, said he was first informed of the talks with Google last week. On Monday, he was called in to the Palo Alto law offices of Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati to sign acquisition papers, and he briefly got to congratulate Mr. Chen and Mr. Hurley, he said.
Asked what he thought of the acquisition price, Mr. Karim said: “It sounded good to me.” When a reporter looked puzzled, he raised his eyebrows and added: “I was amazed.”
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Btw, the second co-founder, Steven Chen, was also the son of Taiwanese immigrants.
Chen attended the Illinois Math and Science Academy and the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. He was an early employee at PayPal, where he met Chad Hurley and Jawed Karim. The three later founded the YouTube in 2005.
In June 2006, Chen was named by Business 2.0 as one of the "The 50 people who matter now" in business.In August 2006, Chen told Reuters news agency it was hoped that within 18 months the site would "have every music video ever created"
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NY Times, Oct 12, 2006
With YouTube, Grad Student Hits Jackpot Again
PALO ALTO, Calif., Oct. 11 — For Jawed Karim, the $100,000 or so he would have to spend on a master’s degree at Stanford was never daunting. He hit an Internet jackpot in 2002 when PayPal, the online payment company he had joined early on, was bought by eBay.
On Monday, still early in his studies for the fall term, he got lucky again. This time he may have hit the Internet equivalent of the multistate PowerBall.
Mr. Karim is the third of the three founders of the video site YouTube, which Google has agreed to buy for $1.65 billion. He was present at YouTube’s creation, contributing some crucial ideas about a Web site where users could share video. But academia had more allure than the details of turning that idea into a business.
So while his partners Chad Hurley and Steven Chen built the company and went on to become Internet and media celebrities, he quietly went back to class, working toward a degree in computer science.
Mr. Karim, who is 27, became visibly uncomfortable when the subject turned to money, and he would not say what he stands to make when Google’s purchase of YouTube is completed. He said only that he is one of the company’s largest individual shareholders, though he owns less of the company than his two partners, whose stakes in the company are likely to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars, according to some estimates. The deal was so enormous, he says, that his share was still plenty big.
“The sheer size of the acquisition almost makes the details irrelevant,” Mr. Karim said.
On Wednesday, during a walk across campus and a visit to his dorm room and the computer sciences building where he takes classes, Mr. Karim described himself as a nerd who gets excited about learning. Nothing in his understated demeanor suggests he is anything other than an ordinary graduate student, and he attracted little attention on campus in jeans, a blue polo shirt, a tan jacket and black Puma sneakers.
Mr. Karim said he might keep a hand in entrepreneurship, and he dreams of having an impact on the way people use the Internet — something he has already done. Philanthropy may have some appeal, down the road. But mostly he just wants to be a professor. He said he simply hopes to follow in the footsteps of other Stanford academics who struck it rich in Silicon Valley and went back to teaching.
“There’s a few billionaires in that building,” he said, standing in front of the William Gates Computer Science Building. But his chosen path will not preclude another stint at a start-up. “If I see another opportunity like YouTube, I can always do that,” he said.
David L. Dill, a professor of computer science at Stanford, said Mr. Karim’s choice was unusual.
“I’m impressed that given his success in business he decided to do the master’s program here,” Mr. Dill said. “The tradition here has been in the other direction,” he said, pointing to the founders of Google and Yahoo, who left Stanford for the business world.
Mr. Karim met Mr. Hurley and Mr. Chen when all three of them worked at PayPal. After the company was acquired by eBay for $1.5 billion, netting Mr. Karim a few million dollars, they often talked about starting another company.
By early 2005, all three had left PayPal. They would often meet late at night for brainstorming sessions at Max’s Opera Caf�, near Stanford, Mr. Karim said. Sometimes they met at Mr. Hurley’s place in Menlo Park or Mr. Karim’s apartment on Sand Hill Road, down the street from Sequoia Capital, the venture firm that would become YouTube’s financial backer.
Mr. Karim said he pitched the idea of a video-sharing Web site to the group. But he made it clear that contributions from Mr. Chen and Mr. Hurley were essential in turning his raw idea into what eventually became YouTube.
A YouTube spokeswoman said that the genesis of YouTube involved efforts by all three founders.
As early as February 2005, when the site was introduced, Mr. Karim said he and his partners had agreed that he would not become an employee, but rather an informal adviser to YouTube. He did not take a salary, benefits or even a formal title. “I was focused on school,” he said.
The decision meant that his stake in the company would be reduced, Mr. Karim said. “We negotiated something that we thought was fair.”
Roelof Botha, the Sequoia partner who led the investment in YouTube, said he would have preferred if Mr. Karim had stayed.
“I wish we could have kept him as part of the company,” Mr. Botha said. “He was very, very creative. We were doing everything we could to convince him to defer.”
Mr. Karim was born in East Germany in 1972. The family moved to West Germany a year later and to St. Paul, Minn., in 1992. His father, Naimul Karim, is a researcher at 3M and his mother, Christine Karim, is a research assistant professor of biochemistry at the University of Minnesota.
“To develop new things and be aware of new things, this is our life,” Ms. Karim said, explaining her son’s interest in technology and learning.
After graduating from high school, Jawed Karim chose to go to the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, in part because it was the school that the co-founder of Netscape, Marc Andreessen, and others who gave birth to the first popular Web browser attended.
“It wasn’t like I wanted to be the next Marc Andreessen, but it would be cool to be in the same place,” Mr. Karim said. In 2000, during his junior year, he dropped out to head to Silicon Valley, where he joined PayPal. He later finished his undergraduate degree by taking some courses online and some at Santa Clara University.
Armed with a video camera, Mr. Karim documented much of YouTube’s early life, including the meetings when the three discussed financing strategies and the brainstorming sessions in Mr. Hurley’s garage, where the company was hatched.
In his studio apartment in a residence hall for graduate students, he showed one of them, which he said was filmed in April 2005. In it, Mr. Chen talked about “getting pretty depressed” because there were only 50 or 60 videos on the YouTube site. Also, he said, “there’s not that many videos I’d want to watch.” The camera then turns to Mr. Hurley, who grins and says “Videos like these,” referring to the one Mr. Karim is filming.
Mr. Karim, who has remained in frequent contact with the other co-founders, said he was first informed of the talks with Google last week. On Monday, he was called in to the Palo Alto law offices of Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati to sign acquisition papers, and he briefly got to congratulate Mr. Chen and Mr. Hurley, he said.
Asked what he thought of the acquisition price, Mr. Karim said: “It sounded good to me.” When a reporter looked puzzled, he raised his eyebrows and added: “I was amazed.”
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Btw, the second co-founder, Steven Chen, was also the son of Taiwanese immigrants.
Chen attended the Illinois Math and Science Academy and the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. He was an early employee at PayPal, where he met Chad Hurley and Jawed Karim. The three later founded the YouTube in 2005.
In June 2006, Chen was named by Business 2.0 as one of the "The 50 people who matter now" in business.In August 2006, Chen told Reuters news agency it was hoped that within 18 months the site would "have every music video ever created"
desigirl
12-02 09:42 AM
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fcres
08-16 10:28 AM
i called the bank too and they cant read the check neither..i can see a number starting with ent only....where in the checkexactly do we look for the receipt number.
thanks
It should be 3 lines under "For Credit to U.S. Treasury" and just below a line of dashes (-------------------) starting with SRC or LIN and then 07xxxxxxxx
thanks
It should be 3 lines under "For Credit to U.S. Treasury" and just below a line of dashes (-------------------) starting with SRC or LIN and then 07xxxxxxxx
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