angelfire76
05-29 09:19 PM
http://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/pdf/fraud_faqs_07-13-07.pdf
Specifically this provision applies to Cognizant
Willful provision or assistance in the provision of false or inaccurate information for an application for labor certification;
Yeah but EB1 does not even need labor certification. So you can't apply the willful misrepresentation. What we can apply willful misrepresentation is in the 140. Also since EB1 is current , these guys also apply 485 at the same time and get EAD and AP.
Specifically this provision applies to Cognizant
Willful provision or assistance in the provision of false or inaccurate information for an application for labor certification;
Yeah but EB1 does not even need labor certification. So you can't apply the willful misrepresentation. What we can apply willful misrepresentation is in the 140. Also since EB1 is current , these guys also apply 485 at the same time and get EAD and AP.
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maximus777
08-20 09:44 PM
^^^Not sure about the credibility of this news since its from TOI, but SRK seems to have bitten off a little more than he could chew! Rest assured, he will get his publicity one way or the other. :D
Rb_newsletter
01-15 04:08 PM
I agree Teddykoochu.
Think what will happen if they woke up one fine morning and start another new interpretation of an existing law and then later they start doing it retroactively; just imagine the cascading effect.
It does not matter which side of the ship is taking fire. It seems to me that people on the left side of the boat are happy that the firing is only on the right side, forgetting it is the ship as a whole which is taking fire.
This only reminds me of the famous poem by Martin Niem�ller which goes like this.
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out�because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out�because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out�because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me�and there was no one left to speak out."
To get the gravity of the situation, substitute it with which ever suits you ! EAD/consulting H1/direct H1/AOS pending/485 not filed/EB3/2/1....etc etc.. Behind all these fancy terms, numbers and notations there are people, children and families who are going thru difficult situations.
I don't have words to appreciate you. You explained it in one poem very very very well.
Earlier they asked for ridiculous documents like photos with American colleagues, etc.
Then they asked for client contract for 3 years, where no client sign a contract for more than 6 months in this uncertain world.
Then they asked for work place fire safety approval docs.
Then they sent contractors for work site visit.
then 221g slips, PIMS delay, admin processing, technology alert, rfe for no reasons, H1-b extension for 3 months, back dated denial of H1,........
Now they want to define the way of business practice.
Later...only they know what they are going to do.
Think what will happen if they woke up one fine morning and start another new interpretation of an existing law and then later they start doing it retroactively; just imagine the cascading effect.
It does not matter which side of the ship is taking fire. It seems to me that people on the left side of the boat are happy that the firing is only on the right side, forgetting it is the ship as a whole which is taking fire.
This only reminds me of the famous poem by Martin Niem�ller which goes like this.
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out�because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out�because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out�because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me�and there was no one left to speak out."
To get the gravity of the situation, substitute it with which ever suits you ! EAD/consulting H1/direct H1/AOS pending/485 not filed/EB3/2/1....etc etc.. Behind all these fancy terms, numbers and notations there are people, children and families who are going thru difficult situations.
I don't have words to appreciate you. You explained it in one poem very very very well.
Earlier they asked for ridiculous documents like photos with American colleagues, etc.
Then they asked for client contract for 3 years, where no client sign a contract for more than 6 months in this uncertain world.
Then they asked for work place fire safety approval docs.
Then they sent contractors for work site visit.
then 221g slips, PIMS delay, admin processing, technology alert, rfe for no reasons, H1-b extension for 3 months, back dated denial of H1,........
Now they want to define the way of business practice.
Later...only they know what they are going to do.
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lazycis
02-15 04:08 PM
I read the end and it was unfortunate. I was talking about visa number reservation where they can reserve visa numbers for us in the future years based on the previous mistake they did. The court can compel USCIS to give visa numbers but maybe not in the same year but in a period of several years where there can put the newly applied i-485's on hold.
Here is the story. DV immigrant is eligible to receive visa until fiscal year end. After the fiscal year ended, a DV immigrant is no longer eligible to receive visa.
8 USC 1154(a)(1)(I)(ii)
(II) Aliens who qualify, through random selection, for a visa under section 1153 (c) of this title shall remain eligible to receive such visa only through the end of the specific fiscal year for which they were selected.
The story is different for EB immigrants. Their eligibility does not expire. That's why it's possibile to recapture numbers from the previous years.
Here is the story. DV immigrant is eligible to receive visa until fiscal year end. After the fiscal year ended, a DV immigrant is no longer eligible to receive visa.
8 USC 1154(a)(1)(I)(ii)
(II) Aliens who qualify, through random selection, for a visa under section 1153 (c) of this title shall remain eligible to receive such visa only through the end of the specific fiscal year for which they were selected.
The story is different for EB immigrants. Their eligibility does not expire. That's why it's possibile to recapture numbers from the previous years.
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snathan
08-16 01:55 AM
Can you point to a single post praising the immigration system.
He is confused immigration with security system
He is confused immigration with security system
needhelp!
09-29 10:34 AM
Who sent the emails today?
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texanguy
05-29 12:34 PM
I think as someone said this guy was randomly throwing numbers out there. How come his analysis does not account for remaining 36K EB1 and EB2 ROW applications. Is he suggesting that all EB1 and EB2 ROW are being used up also. Very hard to believe that for 2008 and 2009 with the way the economy is going. Lot of product companies where most of the ROW 485s would likely come from have stopped applying perm since last summer. There is a huge flaw in this analysis and its not as pessimistic as it seems.
BUT, then again we need legislation to wipe the slate clean and clear these 200K applications, so there is a new build up of visa demand and wait times are tolerable for current applicants and future applicants.
AFAIK the major movement in the visa bulletin in last 3 months (july,august,sept) is not because of spill over of the EB1->EB2->EB3 form the same country, but using the leftover visas from countries like Nigeria, Fiji, Uruguay where the applicants for EB1 & EB2 are often in less than 3-digit numbers. I am surprised that Mr. Oppenheimer never addressed this spill over in his talk at AILA -where Murthy bulletin claims that this information has came from, or may be Murthy lawyers didnt take all the notes of the meeting?? :)
BUT, then again we need legislation to wipe the slate clean and clear these 200K applications, so there is a new build up of visa demand and wait times are tolerable for current applicants and future applicants.
AFAIK the major movement in the visa bulletin in last 3 months (july,august,sept) is not because of spill over of the EB1->EB2->EB3 form the same country, but using the leftover visas from countries like Nigeria, Fiji, Uruguay where the applicants for EB1 & EB2 are often in less than 3-digit numbers. I am surprised that Mr. Oppenheimer never addressed this spill over in his talk at AILA -where Murthy bulletin claims that this information has came from, or may be Murthy lawyers didnt take all the notes of the meeting?? :)
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Rb_newsletter
01-15 09:40 PM
1. About 100,000 or may be many times that number (I do not know) of L1 workers are brought to work to the USA? Do they realize that there is NO quota limit for L1?
2. How the L1A visa is misused in the guise of the so called "International transfer" to file for GC under EB1 category?
3 That many of the Indian / foreign firms no longer prefer to sendi their employees on H1 as they can send plane loads of L1 without any hitch?
I just wanted to share the info that I know and I am not in L1.
They started cracking down L1s long before. Denials of L1 started atleast a year before. Nowadays some companies don't even apply for L1 extension from onsite. Because they know it will be denied. They apply extensions only after candidate goes back to home country.
But let us not hate each other among ourselves between L1, H1, F1 etc. At the end anyone is applying for L1/H1/F1 because there is a provision and it is completely legal.
2. How the L1A visa is misused in the guise of the so called "International transfer" to file for GC under EB1 category?
3 That many of the Indian / foreign firms no longer prefer to sendi their employees on H1 as they can send plane loads of L1 without any hitch?
I just wanted to share the info that I know and I am not in L1.
They started cracking down L1s long before. Denials of L1 started atleast a year before. Nowadays some companies don't even apply for L1 extension from onsite. Because they know it will be denied. They apply extensions only after candidate goes back to home country.
But let us not hate each other among ourselves between L1, H1, F1 etc. At the end anyone is applying for L1/H1/F1 because there is a provision and it is completely legal.
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vkrishn
07-21 11:23 AM
More than the money, these guys are plain stalkers! They don't leave you even if you are not interested and even after blindly telling them right on their face. Anywhere you go, Costco, Walmrt, Indian grocery stores, Malls these guys are right behind you. Next time i am calling COPS and i am going to report these guys.
Enough of leaving it or taking it lightly becasue of so called "your countrymen" stuff.
what a PITA!
Enough of leaving it or taking it lightly becasue of so called "your countrymen" stuff.
what a PITA!
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nik.patelc
09-03 03:09 PM
Most of the Indian politicians are Illiterate. This guy is a medical doctor by profession.
Loved by poor people. Hated by the fundamentalists and Naxals. Most of the AP politicians are corrupt including former PM P.V. N RAO.
I AM NOT FROM AP. ALL I KNOW FROM READING ONLINE FROM THE LAST 2 DAYS.
SEE THE LINK 14 PEOPLE DIE OF SHOCK.
14 die of YSR shock in Andhra - India - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/14-die-of-YSR-shock-in-Andhra/articleshow/4969157.cms)
USA, UK CONDOLE YSR DEATH.
US, France, UK condole Reddy's death - India - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/US-France-UK-condole-Reddys-death/articleshow/4969149.cms)
You must have read it on TIMES or NDTV , both are equally unehitical as indian politicians
Loved by poor people. Hated by the fundamentalists and Naxals. Most of the AP politicians are corrupt including former PM P.V. N RAO.
I AM NOT FROM AP. ALL I KNOW FROM READING ONLINE FROM THE LAST 2 DAYS.
SEE THE LINK 14 PEOPLE DIE OF SHOCK.
14 die of YSR shock in Andhra - India - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/14-die-of-YSR-shock-in-Andhra/articleshow/4969157.cms)
USA, UK CONDOLE YSR DEATH.
US, France, UK condole Reddy's death - India - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/US-France-UK-condole-Reddys-death/articleshow/4969149.cms)
You must have read it on TIMES or NDTV , both are equally unehitical as indian politicians
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amitjoey
01-13 04:14 PM
Once upon a time in this country ( & based on situation 'at' that time), laws were made and hence some classifications such as EB1/2/3 etc;
I'm not here to waste any one's time( including mine) but why shouldn't we ( i mean IV which includes "all" members) try for following
1. Automatic consideration of any EB3 after 5 years of filing date of LC ( conditions being verifiable and clean work history ) to EB2 such as a person in the queue shall be able to apply him/her self by providing facts such as 5 years of W2s, say for example.
2. Any spill over from ROW must "first" be made available to "highly retrogressed EB category" regardless of the country. Simple rule: make the spill over available to "that" EB category where there is most retrogession.
Meaning not the vertical spill as it is happening now
AND
3. Remove the count of dependent family members against number of visas granted per year in any of EB category
IV already has easy, non controversial provisions that takes care of all.
1) Recapture all lost visas.
2) NO Country caps
3) Do not count dependants.
Just these 3 will make all categories current.
I'm not here to waste any one's time( including mine) but why shouldn't we ( i mean IV which includes "all" members) try for following
1. Automatic consideration of any EB3 after 5 years of filing date of LC ( conditions being verifiable and clean work history ) to EB2 such as a person in the queue shall be able to apply him/her self by providing facts such as 5 years of W2s, say for example.
2. Any spill over from ROW must "first" be made available to "highly retrogressed EB category" regardless of the country. Simple rule: make the spill over available to "that" EB category where there is most retrogession.
Meaning not the vertical spill as it is happening now
AND
3. Remove the count of dependent family members against number of visas granted per year in any of EB category
IV already has easy, non controversial provisions that takes care of all.
1) Recapture all lost visas.
2) NO Country caps
3) Do not count dependants.
Just these 3 will make all categories current.
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shiankuraaf
07-14 09:39 PM
My dependents are out of US for almost 5 months for now and they have AP approved before they left US and they are planning to come to US in couple of weeks from now on AP. Our PD is going to be current in Aug08. Is this OK to be out of US for this much time when AOS is pending? Staying out of US for this long would effect their AOS processing in any way?
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gc28262
06-16 03:15 PM
I guess we should ban people like dilipcr and senthil1 who are here to achieve their selfish ends.
Though we have the capacity to tolerate such self seeking anti-immigrants, it diverts the energy and focus of IV members from the reason for which IV was founded.
dilipcr and senthil1,
We don't appreciate your presence here as your agendas don't fit ours. Please stay away from IV.
Though we have the capacity to tolerate such self seeking anti-immigrants, it diverts the energy and focus of IV members from the reason for which IV was founded.
dilipcr and senthil1,
We don't appreciate your presence here as your agendas don't fit ours. Please stay away from IV.
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cableman
05-10 06:27 PM
Does anyone have a comment on this ?
I got this from: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pub/imm-law.html#act12
Permanent residents
Persons who have been admitted to Canada as permanent residents have the right to come to the country and remain here, provided they have not lost that status or it has not been established that they have engaged in activities, such as criminal acts, that would otherwise subject them to removal.
Conditions may be imposed for a certain period on some permanent residents, such as entrepreneurs. A permanent resident must live in Canada for at least 730 days (two years) within a five-year period. In some situations, time spent outside Canada may count. All permanent residents must comply with this residency requirement or risk losing their status.
According to the website, you will lose your status if you go to Canada in the 5th year because you won't be able to attain the requirement of living in Canada for at least 730 days (two years) within a five-year period. Actually, after you pass your 3rd year, you will be in risk for the permanent status.
I got this from: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pub/imm-law.html#act12
Permanent residents
Persons who have been admitted to Canada as permanent residents have the right to come to the country and remain here, provided they have not lost that status or it has not been established that they have engaged in activities, such as criminal acts, that would otherwise subject them to removal.
Conditions may be imposed for a certain period on some permanent residents, such as entrepreneurs. A permanent resident must live in Canada for at least 730 days (two years) within a five-year period. In some situations, time spent outside Canada may count. All permanent residents must comply with this residency requirement or risk losing their status.
According to the website, you will lose your status if you go to Canada in the 5th year because you won't be able to attain the requirement of living in Canada for at least 730 days (two years) within a five-year period. Actually, after you pass your 3rd year, you will be in risk for the permanent status.
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mirage
04-01 03:28 PM
Litte correction dude, Hyderabad people know this man from top to bottom, so he's contesting from Moradabad. When he was caught in Match fixing he stoop down to the lowest and made charges like I'm being framed because I'm a Muslim. The traitor forgot he was the captain of our team for so long.
Azhar visited your post and joined congress.. he is contesting from Hyderabad...
what have you done gcdreamer05 :D
can you wish all of us quick GCs too.. looks like your dreams are powerful !!!
Azhar visited your post and joined congress.. he is contesting from Hyderabad...
what have you done gcdreamer05 :D
can you wish all of us quick GCs too.. looks like your dreams are powerful !!!
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santa123
07-25 01:34 PM
A question about the FB spillover: according to your data, there are about 30000 FB visa spillover from last year. But does USCIS have to use up all of them? If the answer is yes, then the September VB will very likely be current. If the USCIS only need to use up the 147000 EB and use whatever portion of the FB spillover, then September VB may not move.
Though I appreciate all the analysis and the hardwork by several folks here to get to the numbers, I am thinking that we should not get carried away and set high expectations for ourselves and others. Your confidence levels are very high, but remember there are some assumptions in the calculations and we are dealing with govt agencies... just wanted all EB2s to hope for the best and prepare for the best...
;)
Though I appreciate all the analysis and the hardwork by several folks here to get to the numbers, I am thinking that we should not get carried away and set high expectations for ourselves and others. Your confidence levels are very high, but remember there are some assumptions in the calculations and we are dealing with govt agencies... just wanted all EB2s to hope for the best and prepare for the best...
;)
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msp1976
02-14 06:55 PM
On the USCIS site there is a statistics section and there are many xls files there that you can refer to....
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HopeSprings
09-24 01:41 PM
The calculation done by Bharatpremi seems to have flawed while calculating spill-over. Spill-over is first by preference and then by country. That is how till VB of August 2009, you see ROW EB1/2 was current and ROW EB3 was U and EB2I was in 2003.
Now, considering spill-over by preference first, the following could be a conservative analysis:
I am trying to see if EB2I can cross Dec 2006 by end of FY2010. So, we will consider only those cases that might be placed before EB2I PD as Dec 2006.
Consider all the pending EB(1+2+4+5) cases reported so far for ROW, China, Mexico and Phil and add it to pending EB(1+2+4+5) cases for India till end of 2006. The number is around 68000.
Assumption (the numbers for FY 2010 for cases that might be placed before an EB2I case with PD Dec 2006) -
- All EB4/5 cases till end of 2010 FY - 2000
- ROW, Mexico, Phil EB1/2 - 8000
- EB1 I/C - 1000
- The new cases from EB2C (PD Sep 2009 onwards) will not be placed before EB2I PD Dec 2006
Assuming cases cleared in the month of September - 4000 (around 7000 are eligible based on the cut-off date).
Total visa numbers required to clear off EB2 till Dec 2006 = 68000+2000+8000+1000-4000 = 75000
Visa numbers available for AOS for EB (1+2+4+5) in FY 2010:
Assuming 15% go to CP.
Total number for AOS = 119000
EB1 (28.6%) - 34034
EB2 (28.6%) - 34034
EB4 (7%) - 8330
EB5 (7%) - 8330
Total Visa numbers available for AOS for EB (1+2+4+5): 34034+34034+8330+8330 = 84728
So, total number needed to move EB2I past Dec 2006 is 75000. Total available for this cause is around 84000. If USCIS uses all the available visas, spills over only during last quarter and maintains Preference-first spillover policy, I think the visa dates will move well ahead of Dec 2006 by end of FY 2010, most likely in the following way:
Oct 2009 - Dec 2009: Jan/Feb 2005
Jan 2010 - June 2010: Mar/Apr 2005
Jul 2010 - Sep 2010: Feb/Apr 2007
Now, considering spill-over by preference first, the following could be a conservative analysis:
I am trying to see if EB2I can cross Dec 2006 by end of FY2010. So, we will consider only those cases that might be placed before EB2I PD as Dec 2006.
Consider all the pending EB(1+2+4+5) cases reported so far for ROW, China, Mexico and Phil and add it to pending EB(1+2+4+5) cases for India till end of 2006. The number is around 68000.
Assumption (the numbers for FY 2010 for cases that might be placed before an EB2I case with PD Dec 2006) -
- All EB4/5 cases till end of 2010 FY - 2000
- ROW, Mexico, Phil EB1/2 - 8000
- EB1 I/C - 1000
- The new cases from EB2C (PD Sep 2009 onwards) will not be placed before EB2I PD Dec 2006
Assuming cases cleared in the month of September - 4000 (around 7000 are eligible based on the cut-off date).
Total visa numbers required to clear off EB2 till Dec 2006 = 68000+2000+8000+1000-4000 = 75000
Visa numbers available for AOS for EB (1+2+4+5) in FY 2010:
Assuming 15% go to CP.
Total number for AOS = 119000
EB1 (28.6%) - 34034
EB2 (28.6%) - 34034
EB4 (7%) - 8330
EB5 (7%) - 8330
Total Visa numbers available for AOS for EB (1+2+4+5): 34034+34034+8330+8330 = 84728
So, total number needed to move EB2I past Dec 2006 is 75000. Total available for this cause is around 84000. If USCIS uses all the available visas, spills over only during last quarter and maintains Preference-first spillover policy, I think the visa dates will move well ahead of Dec 2006 by end of FY 2010, most likely in the following way:
Oct 2009 - Dec 2009: Jan/Feb 2005
Jan 2010 - June 2010: Mar/Apr 2005
Jul 2010 - Sep 2010: Feb/Apr 2007
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snathan
01-15 11:01 AM
Hope the AILA and ImmigrationVoice leadership can work together to urge USCIS to post a statement explaining that the guidelines in the memo are initially meant to encourage compliance by the businesses and prevent abuse; and that the USCIS would start enforcing them starting Jan 2012 or later. Thus it may be just a matter of getting used to the extra bureaucracy.
I pray that we all get sorted sooner, so we can start focusing on other important aspects of our careers and family lives.
_____________________for those very concerned____________________
It is easy to tell others to be cool headed to think rationally, but we all agree that its true -so let us try doing so.
I personally believe that most folks shall still be fine - this includes a lot of consulting company folks. We all (everyone having/renewing/aspiring H1) need to start collecting all documentary evidences as mentioned in the memo.
If you do not already do so - start following the guidelines for what USCIS considers as proof of Employer-employee relationships - exchanging weekly status e-mails, work assignments, etc. Also please remember to save these documents more securely (possibly at more than a single location). There could be a few more hassles, for example requesting access to old deleted e-mails from server backups. Start working to get yourself copies of service level agreements and contracts between the various layers of consulting companies - after seeing this memo most HR staff would get cooperative. Provide copies of the memo to your consulting companies sales and placement staff - as they would not want to loose their commissions and thus would help persuade your managers and HR staff to start complying.
_____________________________________________
Best Wishes for all.
Why after 2012....you would get your GC by then? what a selfless generous mind. really appreciate you.
I pray that we all get sorted sooner, so we can start focusing on other important aspects of our careers and family lives.
_____________________for those very concerned____________________
It is easy to tell others to be cool headed to think rationally, but we all agree that its true -so let us try doing so.
I personally believe that most folks shall still be fine - this includes a lot of consulting company folks. We all (everyone having/renewing/aspiring H1) need to start collecting all documentary evidences as mentioned in the memo.
If you do not already do so - start following the guidelines for what USCIS considers as proof of Employer-employee relationships - exchanging weekly status e-mails, work assignments, etc. Also please remember to save these documents more securely (possibly at more than a single location). There could be a few more hassles, for example requesting access to old deleted e-mails from server backups. Start working to get yourself copies of service level agreements and contracts between the various layers of consulting companies - after seeing this memo most HR staff would get cooperative. Provide copies of the memo to your consulting companies sales and placement staff - as they would not want to loose their commissions and thus would help persuade your managers and HR staff to start complying.
_____________________________________________
Best Wishes for all.
Why after 2012....you would get your GC by then? what a selfless generous mind. really appreciate you.
sunny1000
06-28 06:21 PM
Still, just because DOS told USCIS "Visas are exhausted" doesnt mean they should stop ACCEPTING new petitions. They can stop APPROVING new ones, but why stop ACCEPTING new petitions. Visa bulletins guide the filing as well as approval of petitions. If visa bulletins is current, then they can both accept and approve petitions.
They can definitely accept I-140. But, I485 acceptance will stop as soon as DOS tells USCIS that the visas are exausted..... isn't that is one of the provisions that we are fighting for...:D :D :D :D
They can definitely accept I-140. But, I485 acceptance will stop as soon as DOS tells USCIS that the visas are exausted..... isn't that is one of the provisions that we are fighting for...:D :D :D :D
lazycis
02-15 11:52 AM
Thanks for an excellent research and arguments. Some of the arguments are well presented.
Well, if you are not ready to lead and we do not have anyone else to lead then whats the point of forming the yahoo group? Please don't get me wrong, I am just trying to find out the objective of this yahoo group.
The purpose was to jump start and find somebody who is willing to help himself/herself. If there is no such person out of 100+ who voted "yes", there is no point in further discussion. I have enough on my plate (I am still helping a number of people fighting in district an appellate courts). Also I think it's easier to discuss it via yahoo group.
Well, if you are not ready to lead and we do not have anyone else to lead then whats the point of forming the yahoo group? Please don't get me wrong, I am just trying to find out the objective of this yahoo group.
The purpose was to jump start and find somebody who is willing to help himself/herself. If there is no such person out of 100+ who voted "yes", there is no point in further discussion. I have enough on my plate (I am still helping a number of people fighting in district an appellate courts). Also I think it's easier to discuss it via yahoo group.
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