ghouse1742
03-30 06:23 PM
Dude, I respect your view....but I dont think I have the apetite or heart to support or vote some one who has the blood of 2000 innocents in his hand. The Supreme court rightly called him "the modern day Nero". I think we Indians can do better than the Modi's, Tytlers and Shahnawaz's of this world.
Boss, remove Atalji. He is on bed for last 8 months. So no chance for him.
Sonia Gandhi is out of question as people will not accept her.
Rahul is a baccha ( KID ) in front of all those stalwarts ( old and experience wolves ).
Contest should be only between MMS and Advani.
Though i would have loved to see Modi on PM HOT seat.
Boss, remove Atalji. He is on bed for last 8 months. So no chance for him.
Sonia Gandhi is out of question as people will not accept her.
Rahul is a baccha ( KID ) in front of all those stalwarts ( old and experience wolves ).
Contest should be only between MMS and Advani.
Though i would have loved to see Modi on PM HOT seat.
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Jungle_Cat
02-14 02:37 PM
$25 for intial consultation....If there is a solid ground to go forward,am there for this movement.
snathan
08-16 06:03 PM
Well i want to see a day when you are held up in secondary for 1.5 hours and then tell us your opinion.
Your post is biased in the sense you trust everything thats coming out from immigration CBP but nothing that comes from Shahrukh. I want to know how did they count 66 mins accurately?
A) was it time from standing in queue to being released?
B_ Was it time of primary + secondary
C) was it time of secondary only?
Did they have stop watch from the time shahrukh entered the building?
Even if he is detained for sixty hours how its matter for GOI. Are they coming to rescue if you or me detained for 2 hrs...why only for SRK..?
Your post is biased in the sense you trust everything thats coming out from immigration CBP but nothing that comes from Shahrukh. I want to know how did they count 66 mins accurately?
A) was it time from standing in queue to being released?
B_ Was it time of primary + secondary
C) was it time of secondary only?
Did they have stop watch from the time shahrukh entered the building?
Even if he is detained for sixty hours how its matter for GOI. Are they coming to rescue if you or me detained for 2 hrs...why only for SRK..?
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unitednations
02-20 12:59 AM
How much investment is required to do this using the L1-A? This appears to be a better option than the EB-5 where money is tied up for years.
You have to work for the company outside USA for one year. therefore, you gotta be out for one year.
I am not advocating this but if a person were to go back home and wanted to come back later then al they need to do is start a business (could be consulting). After it has been running for a year then come to USA on L-1A to open up a sales/operational office and then open up your consulting company and start hiring/placing people.
Note: You need to ensure that the company is real back home to get through consular process.
I am actually very surprised at people. I would have thought that now people have come to realize that this could take a long time that people would dig in and start lobbying harder; strategizing, etc., instead, I am seeing more postings of people going back home; canada, australia, england, etc.
I will give you my story. I came here in 1993 and stayed until 1996. Didn't really think about staying here permanently. In 1996 my colleague who was from Bahamas on H-1 got me on a conference call with company attornies about doing greencard. We asked her of the process and she told that the rules were you had to work with the company for 18 months; the process could take 3 to 4 years and then you had to stay for 3 years after the greencard got approved. We both just looked at each other and thought there was no way we would do it. He went back to Bahamas and I went back to Canada thinking i wasn't going to come back and why wait anyways.
Three years later I decided I missed USA (note: Canada isn't much different but I still missed the "system" and the rush of working in the big economy with the biggest companies. I came back and stuck in greencard process now for many years.
My conclusion is that I made a mistake of going back and should have stayed the first time around. Something for everyoen to consider going back to other countries or back home.
You have to work for the company outside USA for one year. therefore, you gotta be out for one year.
I am not advocating this but if a person were to go back home and wanted to come back later then al they need to do is start a business (could be consulting). After it has been running for a year then come to USA on L-1A to open up a sales/operational office and then open up your consulting company and start hiring/placing people.
Note: You need to ensure that the company is real back home to get through consular process.
I am actually very surprised at people. I would have thought that now people have come to realize that this could take a long time that people would dig in and start lobbying harder; strategizing, etc., instead, I am seeing more postings of people going back home; canada, australia, england, etc.
I will give you my story. I came here in 1993 and stayed until 1996. Didn't really think about staying here permanently. In 1996 my colleague who was from Bahamas on H-1 got me on a conference call with company attornies about doing greencard. We asked her of the process and she told that the rules were you had to work with the company for 18 months; the process could take 3 to 4 years and then you had to stay for 3 years after the greencard got approved. We both just looked at each other and thought there was no way we would do it. He went back to Bahamas and I went back to Canada thinking i wasn't going to come back and why wait anyways.
Three years later I decided I missed USA (note: Canada isn't much different but I still missed the "system" and the rush of working in the big economy with the biggest companies. I came back and stuck in greencard process now for many years.
My conclusion is that I made a mistake of going back and should have stayed the first time around. Something for everyoen to consider going back to other countries or back home.
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GCard_Dream
02-12 02:15 PM
If the current EB3-ROW move is any indication one can rely on, I think you will be current in next month's bulletin. I bet you can't wait.
I wonder what kind of move we might see for eb3 -row next month.
Yeah, Tell me about it!!!
Just two more months and mine would have been current!!!!
I wonder what kind of move we might see for eb3 -row next month.
Yeah, Tell me about it!!!
Just two more months and mine would have been current!!!!
Jerrome
07-17 12:36 AM
Since no one knows how many of pre 2004 EB2/EB3 are pending for India or ROW, it is very difficult to predict where the PD would be at 2008 november. Whoever feels the numbers less suggests EB2 india PD would move forward, whoever feels the numbers are more suggests it will move slower.
But this is what my assumption is USCIS/DOS would start will less number of Visas for starting of year, let us say 900 for EB2(I) on november 08. There is a possibility that EB3 to EB2 conversion, Missed out old PD cases etc would result in getting EB2 going backwards...This would be the case for first 2 to 3 quarters, even if it moves it would in couple of months.Again based on EB3(ROW) demand next year end EB2(I) may or may not move forward fast.
One thing for sure spill over happens only during the last quarter, be it horizontal or vertical.
But this years move would make some people lucky to get GC even if their PD is in 2006. Again this is all my assumptions..
But this is what my assumption is USCIS/DOS would start will less number of Visas for starting of year, let us say 900 for EB2(I) on november 08. There is a possibility that EB3 to EB2 conversion, Missed out old PD cases etc would result in getting EB2 going backwards...This would be the case for first 2 to 3 quarters, even if it moves it would in couple of months.Again based on EB3(ROW) demand next year end EB2(I) may or may not move forward fast.
One thing for sure spill over happens only during the last quarter, be it horizontal or vertical.
But this years move would make some people lucky to get GC even if their PD is in 2006. Again this is all my assumptions..
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yabadaba
02-14 02:32 PM
Please be advised, that IV will not endorse this. If people are gathering here and in places like , please form your own mailing group and proceed.
Those who are on this thread, if you have not yet sent the letter to President for the Admin fix campaign, please send it, and help IV make the grassroots campaign successful.
chandu...have u read the lawsuit outcome? do u still think that an administrative fix is easier to achieve than a lawsuit? lets say it comes down to either/or...either a lawsuit or an administrative fix...which one would IV support?
Those who are on this thread, if you have not yet sent the letter to President for the Admin fix campaign, please send it, and help IV make the grassroots campaign successful.
chandu...have u read the lawsuit outcome? do u still think that an administrative fix is easier to achieve than a lawsuit? lets say it comes down to either/or...either a lawsuit or an administrative fix...which one would IV support?
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gimme_GC2006
08-17 02:14 PM
I think this is blown out of proportion.
First thing what exactly "detention" means? Did they tie him up upside down for 2 hrs?
May be they took him to a room, where he waited along with the common man..in India politicians and filmli ones may get to jump the lines and get special treatment..so they never knew what it is like standing in the line.
SRK should use his common sense and keep quiet rather than making a fuss out of nothing..he is not APJ kalam to demand or deserve special treatment.
I remember last year, there was a news about SRK making noise in one of the European airports where he was not allowed to board the flight ahead of others and he argued with airlines staff that "I am SRK".
Note: I am not a fan of SRK..was never and will never be. I am Aamir Khan's fan :)
First thing what exactly "detention" means? Did they tie him up upside down for 2 hrs?
May be they took him to a room, where he waited along with the common man..in India politicians and filmli ones may get to jump the lines and get special treatment..so they never knew what it is like standing in the line.
SRK should use his common sense and keep quiet rather than making a fuss out of nothing..he is not APJ kalam to demand or deserve special treatment.
I remember last year, there was a news about SRK making noise in one of the European airports where he was not allowed to board the flight ahead of others and he argued with airlines staff that "I am SRK".
Note: I am not a fan of SRK..was never and will never be. I am Aamir Khan's fan :)
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alterego
12-13 05:14 PM
This problem has arisen out of a desire for the labor but not wishing to give the immigration benefits due to concerns which are not always convenient or comfortable to state.
If H1b was also a quota system, this would all be a moot discussion. Since it is not, and we have an unlimited L1 program we have this situation.
A few points are truly ridiculous. Anguilla with its 5K citizens has the same quota as India or China? How does that promote diversity. If every Anguillan applied in EB their quota would not get filled. Yet India has more diversity of religion, language, caste and virtually anything else you can imagine except perhaps ethnicity, arguably it has more diversity than Europe.
The worst insult in my view is EB immigration being quota based in a so called meritocracy. Either you are a meritocracy or you are not. If you want to promote diversity, then you can do so in FB or diversity category or something like that. If you really want to promote diversity then, you can argue this country already has enough people of northern European, German, Irish, Italian ancestry etc.
Which brings me to the main point, which is that it may be inconvenient, and it may be uncomfortable to say, but immigration(of all types) has, does and perhaps for the foreseeable future will have racial undertones.
A constitutional challenge will invariably run into the issue of aliens not having the same rights as citizens since no other argument can realistically hold any sway.
If H1b was also a quota system, this would all be a moot discussion. Since it is not, and we have an unlimited L1 program we have this situation.
A few points are truly ridiculous. Anguilla with its 5K citizens has the same quota as India or China? How does that promote diversity. If every Anguillan applied in EB their quota would not get filled. Yet India has more diversity of religion, language, caste and virtually anything else you can imagine except perhaps ethnicity, arguably it has more diversity than Europe.
The worst insult in my view is EB immigration being quota based in a so called meritocracy. Either you are a meritocracy or you are not. If you want to promote diversity, then you can do so in FB or diversity category or something like that. If you really want to promote diversity then, you can argue this country already has enough people of northern European, German, Irish, Italian ancestry etc.
Which brings me to the main point, which is that it may be inconvenient, and it may be uncomfortable to say, but immigration(of all types) has, does and perhaps for the foreseeable future will have racial undertones.
A constitutional challenge will invariably run into the issue of aliens not having the same rights as citizens since no other argument can realistically hold any sway.
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walking_dude
02-13 11:33 AM
Amit, noble thoughts. But that's not how majority of IV members think. We have members who think $50 contribution per month is too much. There is considerable opposition to making IV a paid forum (with even nominal fees of $10 or $20).
Do you think we can get 500 members ready to contribute $500 here? Create a poll on this and see, you'll be lucky if you get 20! Like Jefferson said "those who prefer convenience over freedom and liberty, deserve neither". We are bound to suffer since we aren't ready to act.
I think every body who wants to have a class action law suit should commit for $500 towards the expense. Only when we have commitment for $500 with person name and contact info, then we should move forward with the idea of Class action law suit. We need 500 people to commit for this otherwise there is no point in moving forward in this direction.
There might be some people who will be willing to pay money but not listed as participant, and visa-versa and we should have at least 500 people who are willing to pay.
Do you think we can get 500 members ready to contribute $500 here? Create a poll on this and see, you'll be lucky if you get 20! Like Jefferson said "those who prefer convenience over freedom and liberty, deserve neither". We are bound to suffer since we aren't ready to act.
I think every body who wants to have a class action law suit should commit for $500 towards the expense. Only when we have commitment for $500 with person name and contact info, then we should move forward with the idea of Class action law suit. We need 500 people to commit for this otherwise there is no point in moving forward in this direction.
There might be some people who will be willing to pay money but not listed as participant, and visa-versa and we should have at least 500 people who are willing to pay.
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sj2273
06-11 07:49 PM
To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.
Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.
In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.
In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.
Dear Dilip,
Thank you for your kind words and analysis. But I am sure you will agree to the fact that bad apples are everywhere. You were qualified - good for you! Unfortunately, we are sailing in a boat that has good and not so good people. I can quote examples where I have not only come across dishonest indians but dishonest people from every nationalitly that you know of. I have been in the field for over 13 years (not a techie) and believe me my job puts me infront of all kinds of people. Now coming to the point - we are all here to find a solution to a bigger problem - retrogression and mr. op's decree that we will have to wait for decades before we can see that 485 approval. Well, I disagree and have a gut feeling that something is wrong somewhere. Its not a clear picture. I am optimistic about the fact that if we wish, we can still have people in the government at least look at our case. There is a lot of work to be done and we need help from people like you in doing so. We need intelligent people like you to advice, suggest and generate optimism and not derail us by letting us know that Indians are dishonest, not qualified etc. We all already know that!
That does not serve our purpose to be here. Thank you for reading my posting.
Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.
In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.
In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.
Dear Dilip,
Thank you for your kind words and analysis. But I am sure you will agree to the fact that bad apples are everywhere. You were qualified - good for you! Unfortunately, we are sailing in a boat that has good and not so good people. I can quote examples where I have not only come across dishonest indians but dishonest people from every nationalitly that you know of. I have been in the field for over 13 years (not a techie) and believe me my job puts me infront of all kinds of people. Now coming to the point - we are all here to find a solution to a bigger problem - retrogression and mr. op's decree that we will have to wait for decades before we can see that 485 approval. Well, I disagree and have a gut feeling that something is wrong somewhere. Its not a clear picture. I am optimistic about the fact that if we wish, we can still have people in the government at least look at our case. There is a lot of work to be done and we need help from people like you in doing so. We need intelligent people like you to advice, suggest and generate optimism and not derail us by letting us know that Indians are dishonest, not qualified etc. We all already know that!
That does not serve our purpose to be here. Thank you for reading my posting.
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unseenguy
05-29 11:50 AM
Yeah, but your 60k only includes AOS, not CP, right?
There are very very few CP applicants from India.
There are very very few CP applicants from India.
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Subst_labor
03-16 01:21 PM
Verify with another lawyer also, basically your experience starts only after you graduate (after getting your degree and not after finishing college ie say you completed ur degree in may 2000 and recieved your degree in Dec 2000, your experience prior to Dec 2000 may not count)
Do verify this with a good lawyer.
yeah, i know this thing is dicey! thanks for your advice, need to look for another lawyer now..
Do verify this with a good lawyer.
yeah, i know this thing is dicey! thanks for your advice, need to look for another lawyer now..
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mariusp
03-28 03:25 PM
I'm more concerned about this:
(2) A permanent labor certification involving a specific job offer
is valid only for the particular job opportunity, the alien named on
the original application (unless a substitution was approved prior to
[effective date of the final rule]), and the area of intended
employment stated on the Application for Alien Employment Certification
(ETA Form 750) or the Application for Permanent Employment
Certification (ETA Form 9089).
Does this actually say that unless the substitution is approved before the rule becomes effective, the labor cert. would be invalidated?
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(2) A permanent labor certification involving a specific job offer
is valid only for the particular job opportunity, the alien named on
the original application (unless a substitution was approved prior to
[effective date of the final rule]), and the area of intended
employment stated on the Application for Alien Employment Certification
(ETA Form 750) or the Application for Permanent Employment
Certification (ETA Form 9089).
Does this actually say that unless the substitution is approved before the rule becomes effective, the labor cert. would be invalidated?
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sweet_jungle
02-12 11:39 AM
huge move for EB3 ROw. it was expected I think.
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netnerd
10-03 10:41 AM
Dear Friends,
As of current law, having Master's is NOT exempt from the cap regardless of being EB2 or EB3. While IV is trying hard to get this included in a future bill, this is not the case as of now.
Hope this helps.
Did yo umean if new law pass them EB3 is exempt from cap? can you give me some refrence. Also you must have master from us or other country is ok?
Thank you for your help.
As of current law, having Master's is NOT exempt from the cap regardless of being EB2 or EB3. While IV is trying hard to get this included in a future bill, this is not the case as of now.
Hope this helps.
Did yo umean if new law pass them EB3 is exempt from cap? can you give me some refrence. Also you must have master from us or other country is ok?
Thank you for your help.
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desi3933
07-29 12:28 PM
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This does not mean that the CIS has closed out all of the pre-2006 cases pending in their inventory. Far from it. When the new fiscal year starts, Indian E2 is likely to retrogress back to late 2002 or early 2003. This is roughly the point reached by the CIS in processing their inventory of pending cases.
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I agree with this comment. Starting Oct, EB2-Ind is likely to retrogress to 03/2003 to 06/2003.
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This does not mean that the CIS has closed out all of the pre-2006 cases pending in their inventory. Far from it. When the new fiscal year starts, Indian E2 is likely to retrogress back to late 2002 or early 2003. This is roughly the point reached by the CIS in processing their inventory of pending cases.
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I agree with this comment. Starting Oct, EB2-Ind is likely to retrogress to 03/2003 to 06/2003.
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mirage
04-16 07:46 AM
Most sickening part was UPA leaders only concentrated on abusing, denying and accusing. They never told the voters if they did any work in last 5 years. I know there wasn't a lot to tell but still the whole campaign is kind of useless...and the role of media is amazing, they just covered 5 people Maino Antonia, Rahul Gandhi, Priyanka Gandhi, Advani & Modi as if nobody else exist in the country. Priyanka Gandhi wakes up every 5 years during elections and media runs after...How sick a country we are ???
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_TrueFacts
09-04 02:13 AM
True_facts, you cannot denigrate dead people. I know you are coward, because you cant say what you can say with your own ID. Go to every village in AP, people are better off now than 5 years ago,that's YSR's legacy. YSR improved irrigation, infrastructure across state and percapita income in state.
Ohh yeah..he built Airports, Freeways, schools in each village!
Improved irrigation..what did he improve other than giving away free money
Infrastructure across the state: In the last 5 years, they haven't reworked existing roads..forget anything new ..No single project completed till date..but in the name of tenders he minted millions.
Per capita income..what he do to increase that?
look at the link: Ysr the Christian Terrorist Cm of Andhrapradesh (http://www.scribd.com/doc/17370754/Ysr-the-Christian-Terrorist-Cm-of-Andhrapradesh)
Ohh yeah..he built Airports, Freeways, schools in each village!
Improved irrigation..what did he improve other than giving away free money
Infrastructure across the state: In the last 5 years, they haven't reworked existing roads..forget anything new ..No single project completed till date..but in the name of tenders he minted millions.
Per capita income..what he do to increase that?
look at the link: Ysr the Christian Terrorist Cm of Andhrapradesh (http://www.scribd.com/doc/17370754/Ysr-the-Christian-Terrorist-Cm-of-Andhrapradesh)
vamsi_poondla
02-14 02:48 PM
chandu...have u read the lawsuit outcome? do u still think that an administrative fix is easier to achieve than a lawsuit? lets say it comes down to either/or...either a lawsuit or an administrative fix...which one would IV support?
This is not admin fix versus law suit. We should continue with admin campaign as we do not know the lawsuit outcome. Admin fix will give immediate relief for thousands of immigrants.
This is not admin fix versus law suit. We should continue with admin campaign as we do not know the lawsuit outcome. Admin fix will give immediate relief for thousands of immigrants.
logiclife
02-12 01:17 PM
I have seen this dog and pony show one too many times. Every year, people think that next year's quota of 140,000 will cause the dates for India and China to go forward in the October Bulletin. October will be the end of misery.
Each year, in October bulletin, for India/China EB3, the dates are either stagnant or they go back to 1998 or 1999.
The thing is, as long as there is this per-country quota rationing of green cards, ROW folks will keep moving to the HOV lane and each year, in Oct to Dec timeframe their dates will get current and they will get GCs.
And each year, the dates for India and China will keep yo-yoing between 1998 and 2002, will never move forward, because if per-country limits are applied to 140,000 greencards, then there is very very little leftover that flows to India/China.
So without an increase in Quota or without removal of per-country discrimination, nothing is going to happen either in Oct 2008 or Oct 2009 or Oct 2010. It will keep fluctuating between 1998 and 2002. That is the bracket for India and China.
Each year, in October bulletin, for India/China EB3, the dates are either stagnant or they go back to 1998 or 1999.
The thing is, as long as there is this per-country quota rationing of green cards, ROW folks will keep moving to the HOV lane and each year, in Oct to Dec timeframe their dates will get current and they will get GCs.
And each year, the dates for India and China will keep yo-yoing between 1998 and 2002, will never move forward, because if per-country limits are applied to 140,000 greencards, then there is very very little leftover that flows to India/China.
So without an increase in Quota or without removal of per-country discrimination, nothing is going to happen either in Oct 2008 or Oct 2009 or Oct 2010. It will keep fluctuating between 1998 and 2002. That is the bracket for India and China.
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